Reagan Gray wrote on Aug 11, 2008 12:42 PM:
" Well, well, another drowning in the Bridgewater Channel. Just to remind all of you that live in Lake Havasu. Carbon monoxide is the cause of most of the drownings that have taken place in the Channel. God bless this man's family. And, may you all remember a wonderful man, who drowned in that very place on May 26, 2003. He was found to have 47% carbon monoxide in his body. His name was Mark Tostado, born in Holbrook, AZ. He served our country in Bosnia and was a kind and great man.
Mark Adrian Tostado 1971-2003. A tragedy. "
Sad Day wrote on Jul 12, 2008 11:16 PM:
" So cal resident. your comment is what should be said in this comment area. My prayers are also with the family. It is very sad that this area is being used to bicker back and forth. It is not about the newspaper, the fire department or the ambulance, it is about a man who lost his life - no matter how it happened. Again my thoughts and prayers are with you. "
so cal resident wrote on Jul 11, 2008 9:42 PM:
" My prayers are with his family. "
JM wrote on Jul 11, 2008 5:41 PM:
" I reckon anyone would feel dumber after reading this stuff, no problem admitting that. The realization is that these posts are almost as bad as those found under the cliff jumping victim. Thanks for the help though. What a savior!! Maybe stay on topic? Or continue to list random names of folks who aren't paying attention like you wish they were. Your choice..... (i wonder what he'll choose???)..... "
Tragedy can be avoided wrote on Jul 11, 2008 10:21 AM:
" What a terrible tragedy it is that this city places revenue though fines more important that safety of its citizens and visitors. The declining numbers of visitors is a testiment to how badly they see our city after all the controversy. When will this council actually stop avoiding it responsibility and accept accountability for its inaction? "
helping out JM wrote on Jul 11, 2008 9:16 AM:
" JM, it is called self-realization is all. It's ok that you can admit it now, that is first step. "
JM wrote on Jul 10, 2008 8:38 PM:
" "psydonuem", I just read this entire thread (it took a while). Thanks for finding the time to talk about me the other day. I'm flattered you were thinking of me. But no thanks, i don't think it would do any good to comment on anything written here. I now feel dumber after sifting through all these posts. "
wrong topic wrote on Jul 10, 2008 3:09 PM:
" thought this article was about a man drowning not about the court system and judges. "
speaking wrote on Jul 10, 2008 2:09 PM:
" rat, you are speaking only of youself when you say mindless. "
Desertrat wrote on Jul 10, 2008 1:25 PM:
" Yes, I have a decoder ring, superman toys AND a bag of chips! They are all fun and frivolous. Just like these forums, filled with silliness, and mindless entertainment. "
imamouse wrote on Jul 10, 2008 1:24 PM:
" holy %$&!@
this is becoming a war board. "
Vicki wrote on Jul 10, 2008 8:50 AM:
" I'm not sure how this article discussion got into the argument about police and judges but I am happy to find that it brought out that there is an organization like MojavePolitics. Could someone post the official website address as I would like to visit the site. As for the Council making decisions based on comments posted here. I don't think you have to worry about that, they don't even respond to certified letters of complaint. And, just for the record I always post comments using my name and no other. I find it interesting that desertrat used the quote that I posted a few weeks ago "if you are not part of the solution, you are part of the problem". I for one am still actively seeking solutions to issues that have been raised over the past six months. I just recently found the right website that had an official form to send a complaint against a judge. The complaints are handled through the State of Arizona Commission on Judicial Conduct just in case anyone else is interested. Posting complaints on this forum may be a way to vent but action speaks louder than words. If you have a valid issue, take action don't just complain about it. "
rat is funny wrote on Jul 10, 2008 6:46 AM:
" You have a 'background check clearance'? Did that come with your maxwell smart decoder ring? You must have been 007's secret partner? 'Kato' to his 'Green Hornet'? Well you just keep believing your are 'all that and a bag of chips', rat. "
TazDave wrote on Jul 9, 2008 10:51 PM:
" My original post was not put up so here I go again. We were there 2 weeks ago when Jim went under the first time. My son and his cousin pulled him out of the water, my neighbor started CPR and one of Jim's buddies, I think the guy that weaves the palm fronds, came down and performed mouth to mouth as I summond the police. We were surprised to see him at the channel Thursday afternoon, July 3rd, not really knowing how things turned out. There is more to Jim's story than we will ever know. The channel was packed both times and NO amount of police or fire would have made a difference. This is just a truly sad story, a sad ending to a life. Jim seemed to think he wanted it this way. it it just tough on the people who were there trying to help him. "
yes directly so wrote on Jul 9, 2008 10:02 PM:
" Desertrat, I would say yes that this posts on this forum and others can be DIRECTLY attributed to change in police policy and the signs in the channel. As proof, THIS paper did a series of stories about it over the last year. "
MCJW wrote on Jul 9, 2008 9:30 PM:
" Wrong, AZ Courtwatch does not do that same work as Mohave County Justice Watch. As for your background check, you will still need to submit to one to become a member of MCJW. You cannot have a criminal record, you cannot be a member of the bar, a judge, law enforcement of any type, nor can you work for any of the above. You cannot be spouse, or sibling of any of the above.
It is a great eye opener to see some of the cases that have been brought to our attention. Mohave County is ripe with corruption.
It was MCJW that exposed Taylor in Kingman as running contrary to the law and that his brother runs the department that is responsible to bring him to justice and refuses. As for the local court, do not think that "proof" not being posted that it does not exist. This paper refuses to post it. "
Desert wrote on Jul 9, 2008 4:52 PM:
" I have a background check clearance, thanks anyway. The group AZ Courtwatch has been in existence for a very long time doing the same kind of work- and it wasn't an internet forum that started the group either. "
More being done then you know wrote on Jul 9, 2008 4:12 PM:
" Then Desert you must be part of the problem because you even deny a problem exist let alone trying to solve it. Nobody ever claimed 'every' anything was bad. What percentage of bad is ok with you Desert? I think 0% being bad cops, Judges or tickets is ok.
There is more going on to solve the problem then you know or are aware. Mohave County Justice Watch is a group founded in Kingman looking into problems with Prosecutors, Judges, and Cops. You can reach them through the MohavePolitics site. You must have a background check to become a member though. "
Desertrat wrote on Jul 9, 2008 2:38 PM:
" Do you really think all these changes occurred because you have been complaining for months on here? And I only think you must be on here all the time by the volume of posts (in a million different names) regarding the same, boring issues you continue to complain about. Remember..if you are not part of the solution, you are part of the problem. Every cop is not a thug, every judge is not corrupt and every ticket is not bogus. Deal with it. "
r u carnac wrote on Jul 9, 2008 1:19 PM:
" Desertrat. How do you know all I do is sit at the computer? That is the least of my involvement. But you know everything dont you?
As for changes, the city police are no longer writing false tickets, they are not longer storming boats like thugs. They changed the signs in the channel. A good step, but it is only a step. Kudos to the Chief of Police btw for the changes so far. Now if the council does the right thing and gets us a Judge who is a member of the bar we will be going in the right direction. "
Desertrat wrote on Jul 9, 2008 12:35 PM:
" psydonuem- and you really think sitting here whining on the computer is helping 'improve the police here'--give me a break! Why don't you try going out in the community and REALLY help. Might make ya feel better. "
psydonuem wrote on Jul 9, 2008 9:21 AM:
" I think the only people on here with an agenda are those who want to stifle any efforts to improve the police here. What is wrong with that? Don't we all want a better police force JM, I mean desertrat, I mean Irish ect ect ect. "
Desertrat wrote on Jul 8, 2008 9:40 PM:
" its called = help stop another
One in the same person with the same old agenda -cop hater, judge basher. Blah blah blah blah blah blah blah
sue the city, big bad police man, corrupt judge, blah blah blah blah "
Desertrat wrote on Jul 8, 2008 9:35 PM:
" ""The council read these posts and react to them."" If the council takes the political pulse of the community by this forum, no wonder we are in trouble! This forum has no accountability and the same people post under many different names with one agenda only. I sure hope the Council does not take this too serious!! "
Whatever wrote on Jul 8, 2008 8:56 PM:
" help stop another - Really? You are on here only to push your own agenda-cop and judge bashing. But others are complaining that the reason he drowned is that there weren't enough cops around. You are complaining that there are too many. You people are pathetic. "
Hammer Time wrote on Jul 8, 2008 8:06 PM:
" "He drowned to death" brilliant! "
help stop another wrote on Jul 8, 2008 7:49 PM:
" Kristen, we complain in the hope we can stop the next one. The council read these posts and react to them. As proof, the police are not behaving somewhat like police on the shores (thugs in the boat still) and the new signs redesigned to be more welcoming. Now we just need the thugs removed from the boats and the courts. "
cantbelieveit wrote on Jul 8, 2008 7:31 PM:
" itscalled-are you friggn kidding me?? Are you a lawyer looking for a quick buck?? get over yourself. you don't want the friggen cops around but they are suppose to know that this guy is going to drown. ABSURD! "
KRiSTEN wrote on Jul 8, 2008 3:52 PM:
" ok i only read half of these little posts and it's honeslty bothering me. i don't understand why everyone is being this immature.. the guy drowned to death and you guys are arguing over police, fire fighters, and well, yourselves. GET OVER IT and drop it. atleast CARE for the guys loved ones and what not. there is no way arguing can bring the poor guy back. ANDDD as someone had mentioned in here previously it was probably suicide...once, oops.. twice.. NOT AN ACCIDENT!!!! "
its called wrote on Jul 8, 2008 1:22 PM:
" Rainbow, it's called negilgence and it might be a tort the surviving family members can sue the city about.
If the police, who are charged with safety, are out trying to run up fine money instead of ensuring public safety then the city might be liable. The man drowned in the middle of the busiest part of the channel! "
Cop Lover wrote on Jul 8, 2008 12:42 PM:
" To Enough Already...If you have read the 2nd or 3rd article on this event you will clearly read that "alcohol may be a factor"...I understand it says "may" but I am sure the fact will be that alcohol was the contibuting factor. How is that being clever or pompous? Alcohol has never been a factor that has turned out a happy ending nor will it ever. It is truly tradgic to hear of this mans death or any other persons death at any untimely mannor, but, alcohol is what it is, when used in any amount you are under it's enfluence...not your own!
Sorry you feel the way you do but lets look at the reailty of it. "
wrote on Jul 8, 2008 11:09 AM:
" Lets pay motel cleaners on how good they clean rooms, or deduct wages per germ, left on toilets, beds and carpet. ICK!! BTW, sounds like this guy had a death wish. Not everyone wants to be saved, so they find a time to do it, their way! "
Rainbow wrote on Jul 8, 2008 10:08 AM:
" It's a sad day when people argue about whether or not the Newspaper/Reporter got the story right or make assumptions that are unfounded. Bashing the LHPD/LHFD and any of our medical Professionals is just beyond childish! Facts are that a human life was lost in spite of the combined efforts of the men and women who's chosen path in life is to serve and protect and care for the life of others. Slinging accusations and judgements is disrespectful to victim's family and friends and to those who tried to save his life. "
annoyed. wrote on Jul 8, 2008 4:14 AM:
" "lets pay our firemen according to the the lives they say" wow thats amazing. Thats the most rediculous thing i have heard in a long time. how much is a family members life worth to you? Only 500K?? If you ask me any amount of money would be enough. Sometimes such ignorant people say the most asinine things. "
sandy wrote on Jul 7, 2008 11:04 PM:
" So now it is the fire dept fault the poor man died. Let's get real! Accidents are just that! Not the fire nor the police dept can be in every location and save everyone from theirselves.
I saw the fire Dept in action on Sunday night. You might be glad to hear they knocked down a house fire and safed the house. I'm sure the residents were glad. I know the rest of our block was!
But maybe you who are looking to blame them for everything wish the house was burned to the ground.
Just remember who are you going to call when you need real HELP. I bet it's 9-1-1.
How many of you out there are willing to sacrifice yourselves for your fellow man? Yes they get paid to do it, but that does not dicsount the bravery Police and Firefighters show every day. Never knowing what the next call holds for them.
So remember as you continue to knock the Fire Dept they will still be there for you when you call regardless of whether you like them or NOT! "
i truly wrote on Jul 7, 2008 6:22 PM:
" I truly live in a city of idiots. I hope when your family member dies, his blue rear-side is hanging on the front page of the paper. "
taxonyou wrote on Jul 7, 2008 2:55 PM:
" Hey Taxman, An off duty firefighter helped save a life at copper canyon, How much should we pay him for his performance? 500K? whats the life worth? 700K? Taxman is right on with paying firefighters for performance ratehr than a salery. "
vrab wrote on Jul 7, 2008 2:28 PM:
" I think the drowning victim was wearing blue gloves... "
Crockedtaxman wrote on Jul 7, 2008 2:02 PM:
" TAMMAN SAYS"Can we pay the fireman by their performance? No life saving, no pay! "
HE's right!!!!! Whats a family members life worth to you taxman? I say if they save a life each firefighter involved gets 500K each. If they save a priceless life, compensate them accordinly like Taxman says.. "
Whatever wrote on Jul 7, 2008 12:31 PM:
" I thought everyone was complaining that there were too many police in the channel making us a 'police state' and that drove the tourists away. Now you are complaining there were not enough police to save a drowning man (who by the way was suicidal by all reports). Make up your mind already!!! "
outnumbered wrote on Jul 7, 2008 11:50 AM:
" So how badly did the firemen, ambulance drivers, and police outnumber the tourist when this event occurred? "
also nope wrote on Jul 7, 2008 8:21 AM:
" Hey NOPE, the business sector had no overtime either. No bodies walking in the door, no overtime. "
my take on it. wrote on Jul 7, 2008 6:40 AM:
" Declining tourism dollars have led to the cash crunch at City Hall that has in turn led to the reduced police and fire services.
Declining tourism is how a man can drown unnoticed in a channel that the paper would have us believe was full. A quick look at the photo provided in today's News Herald shows that it could have been taken any weekend in the summer. There were pleanty of slips available in that photo-something that does not happen in our usual 4th of July.
A suggestion to the Lake Havasu City Police Department would be to train with the Bullhead City Police. They have an excellent story in thier newspaper today about what should be the emphisized during a holiday weekend in a tourist town. It should also silence those who refuse to admit that this death was a failure of the police department, not the fire department.
I was on the lake this weekend and it was not as busy as holiday past's. "
Annoyed. wrote on Jul 7, 2008 4:13 AM:
" i hope for those of you that complain about our police/firemen when your house burns down, or youre having a heart attack in your bathroom that there is nobody to come to your rescue. You act as if their supposed to be perceft, and that a fireman should be standing on every street corner. Grow up people. They are not God, so you should all stop comparing them to him. Its a shame to see how pathetic humans can be. Always looking for someone to blame. Sometimes there are these things called accidents. You should start being more supportive of the men and women that are out there protecting us, and saving lives. Without them alot more lives would have been lost. "
TRULY SICK IN THIS CITY wrote on Jul 6, 2008 10:58 PM:
" I for one am EXTREMELY thankful for our fireman.... as I watch out my front door tomight and see 4 engines respond to a house fire on my dead end street.... happy they arent all on "dead end" calls in the channel.... "
NOPE wrote on Jul 6, 2008 8:01 PM:
" No overtime this weekend....you know, that pesky city management decision to CUT services so fire dept can't respond to the needy patients and tourists. GREAT for the media, however!!!
By the way, no 4th fireman will save "Dead." Dead is DEAD. Get real people, if you're heart is dead, you are dead. No amount of CPR or drugs will save you. Hell, just keep drinking and smoking crack and keep killing those brain cells. You won't need anyone's help to kill ya. "
Taxman wrote on Jul 6, 2008 7:23 PM:
" Looks like the 4th fireman did not make any difference only in the City's budget. Can we pay the fireman by their performance? No life saving, no pay! They should pay us back their 10 -15 years of salary! "
Shame on firemen wrote on Jul 6, 2008 7:20 PM:
" Ooooopa, the nice union firemen did not save this one. I'm sure they were working on their overtime schedule. At least they did not give a bad / deadly drugs ti this sucker... "
the crux wrote on Jul 6, 2008 3:20 PM:
" Irishman the only moronic self-rightous blather was written at 8:05 am.
In the channel that was empty of tourist due to folks not coming here anymore because of moronic policy that some moronic individuals defend, a man drowned.
Those moronic folks refuse to see that the crux of the matter is the reason the channel was empty, the reason the police service was cut, and the moronic policy wonk that stated fine money was good for the city in budget hearings. "
William wrote on Jul 6, 2008 3:09 PM:
" if would not have mattered if the golf carts or fire engines where there or not. as soon as this gentleman was located he was removed from the water. i nurse and others who were on the scene started cpr and attempted to save him. sad but he passed away. "
A REAL CONCERNED CITIZEN wrote on Jul 6, 2008 2:49 PM:
" To concerned citizen - Man, you're really something. Anything to shift blame and get your unfounded points across. This is really crazy!!!!!!! Some things and people never change. You'll use any excuse or reason to try and prove your guilt ridden ethics. "
cops to blame wrote on Jul 6, 2008 1:15 PM:
" that is ok, not posting my response does not make who you are less obvious "
concerned citizen wrote on Jul 6, 2008 9:52 AM:
" Would a faster response have saved this man? Good question to ask, seeing as how there were no fire personel present in the channel. Is this due to city cutbacks? How long did it take for the engines to respond... and what would have happened to poor misses smith uptown(not drunk in the channel) with the engines tied up in the channel? "
BeenHereForever wrote on Jul 6, 2008 9:27 AM:
" to Outrageous - you can't see the victim, for crying out loud!! Where is the invasion of privacy? No face is showing. Get a life. "
Irishman wrote on Jul 6, 2008 8:05 AM:
" I see all of the moronic blather, jumping to conclusions, name calling and misinformation is still flowing at it's normal rate. Give it a break people, the man is dead and eventually the facts will come out. Then some of you can start putting your twist on them for your own agendas. "
To look again wrote on Jul 6, 2008 7:52 AM:
" You have no idea what you are talking about. The pt's hands are blue == CYANOSIS. I know what gloves look like. You are too new. "
Story Closed wrote on Jul 6, 2008 7:07 AM:
" “The victim of the drowning was identified as Jimmy Dale Maguglin, 48, a transient,” Sloma said. “Alcohol is believed to be a factor in the incident.” "
Sissy wrote on Jul 6, 2008 5:42 AM:
" I am not denying anything-did you read todays article about his death???? Again, to the family; some people will use every article to get THEIR point across, yet do nothing about it. May he rest in peace. "
el.ai.en.kay. wrote on Jul 6, 2008 1:22 AM:
" DONT PEOPLE UNDERSTAND ALREADY? THIS IS ONE OF NUMEROUS ARTICLES THAT THE TODAYS NEWS HERALD ALWAYS POSTS. THEY HAVE VERY LITTLE EXPLANATION, AND THEY TRY TO MAKE A STORY OUT OF IT, WHILE FILLING IT IN WITH MISSING INFORMATION AND MISLEADING FACTS. IT HASNT BEEN THE FIRST TIME, NOR THE SECOND. I CANT BELIEVE THIS TOWN HAS SUCH A MISLEADING NEWS SOURCE, THATS WHERE ALL THIS CONTROVERSIAL TALK COMES FROM. I MYSELF WAS POSTED IN THIS NEWSPAPER THIS YEAR, BUT DID I ASK FOR MY PICTURE,MY IDENTITY, AND MY AGE POSTED? NO, DID THEY ASK ME? OF COURSE NOT, AND THE WORSE PART OF ALL..THEY GAVE THE MOST RIDICULOUS STORY, WHICH GAVE A BAD REPUTATION. JUST LIKE EVERYONE ELSE THAT THIS "NEWSPAPER" POSTS, IF ITS CALLED A "NEWSPAPER", NOT A RUMOR TALK SHOW. "
enough already wrote on Jul 5, 2008 11:07 PM:
" Cop Lover: Where in the article is ALCOHOL mentioned?? Please, people, let's not make a sad situation worse by off-handed comments and judgmental assumptions. We should be expressing our condolences rather than trying to be clever or pompous. "
Tragedy averted wrote on Jul 5, 2008 10:17 PM:
" sissy, denial of a problem will not fix it. Making it very public will. Heroes make noise about bad situations and those who a ignorant or wish to live in ignorance say to the heroes " stop rocking the boat". Sorry. Get a life perserver because until justice is restored here more tragic deaths will happen and I and others will let the world know how bad it is here. "
cop lover wrote on Jul 5, 2008 9:48 PM:
" You cant blame the police or the fire department for this death. Sadly enough alcohol and water dont mix. I guess you could say that there was some poor judgement on this mans part. So sad to hear of any death but if you choose to drink the consequences could be fatal! The police are here to keep us safe and enforce the law NOT babysit. And the fire department is here to mind the hoses!! "
Look Again wrote on Jul 5, 2008 7:39 PM:
" To OUTRAGEOUS,
You need to take a better look as the "blue hand" is a glove worn by the medic holding an IV bag helping help. "
very weird wrote on Jul 5, 2008 7:38 PM:
" This is very weird: . . . "the same crew that Fire officials said rescued the same victim in almost the exact same location two weeks ago" . . . . What is the explanation for this? "
relax wrote on Jul 5, 2008 5:34 PM:
" Why do people take every word as gospel, The fire department knows who he is but they cant print his name till family is notified. maybe you can blame the fire department for this death too. get real and get a life you haters. "
William wrote on Jul 5, 2008 4:55 PM:
" was found in the same situation at the same location two weeks ago, guess there will not be a 3rd time. "
Sissy wrote on Jul 5, 2008 4:48 PM:
" You children NEED TO grow up! EVERYONE KNOWS THAT THE NAME CANNOT BE RELEASED UNTIL THE VICTIMS FAMILY IS NOTIFIED!! and quit using a tragic death, to sing your old sick song about the cops! My apologies to the family of the deceased; on behalf of the idiots on here. "
grocerygirl wrote on Jul 5, 2008 3:31 PM:
" He is "unidentified" to the public due to notifying next of kin first. If you read the article you know that. Think about it you don't wanna learn of your loved ones death this way do you? "
To Boater wrote on Jul 5, 2008 2:53 PM:
" You got that right!! A cut in services and the manning of the channel did this. Deaths in the channel. The deathly tourist trap. Hmm. Like I said, more lawsuits in the works. Nobody believes it til it's a lawsuit. "
bobby wrote on Jul 5, 2008 1:26 PM:
" Maybe they know how old he is because they cut him open and counted the rings...... "
never a cop around when... wrote on Jul 5, 2008 1:18 PM:
" If the police were out doing thier jobs instead of harrassing people with "safety checks" this may not have happened. Why is it always about money with the PD and not about real Safety. I am sure if this man was wearing pasties he would have had plenty of attention from the police. I am sure it the city courts made it a point to mention in the budget hearing that the goal was to make the channel safe through legal means it may not have happened also. Too bad drowning was not a something they could fine you over. "
Whaz Up wrote on Jul 5, 2008 12:48 PM:
" ...the article states he was rescued 2 weeks earlier...they know who he is.. "
mntnlife wrote on Jul 5, 2008 11:59 AM:
" There is some information that can be made public such as the victim’s age and sex. But their names are not mentioned until the next of kin is notified. "
suicide wrote on Jul 5, 2008 10:36 AM:
" is it possible, that since this is the same guy that was rescued last week that this MIGHT be a possible suicide? "
fed up too wrote on Jul 5, 2008 10:21 AM:
" Because his next of kin need to be notified first, hence unidentified to the public. "
LHC Bush wrote on Jul 5, 2008 10:04 AM:
" "The Fire Department responded with Engine 5 and Truck 1, the same crew that Fire officials said rescued the same victim in almost the exact same location two weeks ago"
Very sad, wish it was a better outcome.... If he is unidentified then how do you know he is 48 years old? " --- for HIPPA laws, unless they have family permission, age is the only thing you can give... "
yikes wrote on Jul 5, 2008 9:23 AM:
" the same crew that Fire officials said rescued the same victim in almost the exact same location two weeks ago. HUH????? "
Boater wrote on Jul 5, 2008 8:37 AM:
" I noticed that there were no FD golf carts at the channel this year. What happened? Is this what we can expect with our City Manager cutting our services? My prayers go out to the family. "
read past the headline wrote on Jul 5, 2008 7:41 AM:
" WhaaWhaa: Duh, did you not READ the article before jumping in with your inane 'observation'? How can you make light of such a tragedy? Not cute, WhaaWhaa, not at all trivial. GROW UP! "
TAKE IT DOWN wrote on Jul 5, 2008 7:38 AM:
" Take this photograph from the website!!! This is an outrage!!! "
OUTRAGEOUS wrote on Jul 5, 2008 7:35 AM:
" I think it's outrageous that the newspaper published this photograph when the family has not been notified. OUTRAGEOUS!!!!!! His hands are blue, people, and this is getting into the paper!!!! Mr. Quinn, this is a travesty!!!!!!! This is a blunder!!!!! "
wait paper wrote on Jul 5, 2008 5:48 AM:
" The paper got it all wrong. Again. Incomplete. Please get the facts right.
Hey, wonder if someone on scene said "vasopressin will kill this guy." I bet not. "
Sandy wrote on Jul 5, 2008 2:31 AM:
" Get real! They are never to release a name until next of kin is notified. That does not mean they do not officially know who he is. "
ummmm... wrote on Jul 5, 2008 12:32 AM:
" He is unidentified to us, they know who he is but they can't tell us until the next-of-kin is notified: 'Identity of the victim will be released pending notification of next-of-kin.' Did you even read the story? "
Strange.............. wrote on Jul 4, 2008 11:16 PM:
" How can he be "unidentified" if this statement - by the firemen - given to the newspaper paper is correct - "The Fire Department responded with Engine 5 and Truck 1, the same crew that Fire officials said RESCUED THE SAME VICTIM in almost the exact same location two weeks ago."? And they know his age as being 48, but not his identity.
And - Notice how it points out under the picture that it was "Lake Havasu City Fire and Police personnel, along with River Medical Ambulance" and then also in the story it points out "with Fire officials continuing to perform CPR, by River Medical Ambulance." Most papers just say "paramedics" and “crews”. Has the paper been directed to print these descriptions? Or is someone trying to make a point? "
Mike wrote on Jul 4, 2008 10:40 PM:
" Whaa, thanks for the laugh. Pretty sure they mean not realeasing his identity, but good stuff. "
Wizardry at its best wrote on Jul 4, 2008 10:35 PM:
" Whaa - GOOD CATCH! Oh my gosh. Only his identity is unidentified. But don't you know, the firemen can work miracles here. They can tell the age of a drowning victim, no problem, but can't tell you his name. "
Whaa wrote on Jul 4, 2008 9:49 PM:
" "An unidentified 48-year-old man apparently drowned in the Bridgewater Channel Friday"
If he is unidentified then how do you know he is 48 years old? "
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