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LosTacos wrote on Nov 3, 2009 10:50 PM:

" Blackcatcorrect?;)Project: a term relative to a verb meaning to start. a collaborative enterprise, frequently involving research or design, that is carefully planned to achieve a particular aim. Translation/interp, Not to complete plan yet aim is to gain support, funding for said plan(Intro Social government 101 and BUS MNGT 505 grad level course). Legally I can sell swampland with a dream(oops)plan to build a mall and resort retirement community, collect federal grants $$$(they really exist) and local donations $$(we really exist) and never build said planned mall our resort. Take the $$ and run(ie, invest in project(s) somewhere else that have profit. ei, Mculloch-Palm Springs),,,(Mr. Trump does this every day with golf courses). ie;(Clinton and Baukus scandal), Hilary did this and got away with millions. Most average folks do not have access/funds to the legal loop holes(state or federal). However, a few have figured it out. Problem is the few are those that represent public, ie, city councils, local associations, and politicians which gain an amount of public trust then funding from private investors (local Millionaires) who share same aims or goals, which is, "To turn a profit and stay in control." Go Bonesman, Yale and Harvard (undergrad bonesman come hush hush from Yale, Harvard Law (Obama), Syracuse, Cornell Universitys hmmmm... I can name 15 presidents including current that are bonesman, which may including 1 Havsau city council/marine association member. So a great war cry "Gerooonimoo!" to a brother, you have a mighty fine sharp blade on that ax;). The point: The rich get richer and the rest get by. "




oldone wrote on Nov 3, 2009 10:20 PM:

" landscaping is a State project with the city having little input. "




johnjay wrote on Nov 3, 2009 8:59 PM:

" resident,
The gorilla isn't the sewer it's the $400,000,000 bill. Havasu brace yourselves there's some bad things coming down our way, there's meetings going on in the city right now. I'm watching Grapes of Wrath, so I know what to expect. "




blackcat wrote on Nov 3, 2009 7:08 PM:

" resident - I know that I travel to far away places to see landscaping on the freeway. Thanks for the clarification. "




resident wrote on Nov 3, 2009 2:27 PM:

" blackjack, nothing substantial? I guess you never worked on a planning project requiring more than five people. Action, what about 95 landscaping (which came as a byproduct of main street).

I know I've only lived here 4+ years but I think the mayor has slowly set the table for the city to implement these projects with the slow uptic in the economy (and especially when the sewer is no longer the Gorilla in the room). "




blackcat wrote on Nov 3, 2009 9:19 AM:

" Resident -

I forgot to comment on your list...

Aside from the sewer, those other projects are just that - projects.

Nothing substantial has been produced from them and they seem to never get of the ground. Havasu needs leadership in DOING - not just planning. "




WATCHING HAVASU DIE wrote on Nov 2, 2009 2:14 PM:

" Really Tim when are they gonna fire that Jim Salschinger guy ?? And when is that Lee Barnes gonna Resign,,,,,The council is full of OLD DUFFERs,,,Its gonna be funny come election time when that Don & Dean team breaks up over who gets to be MAYOR,,,,,The good part is they gonna spend boat loads of cash,,,,,Maybe thats when the taxpayers will find out who took the bribe money ???? "




resident wrote on Nov 2, 2009 8:59 AM:

" developing more of a professional base (i.e. geriatric niche services for our retirement community) can help get this city through the leaner times (i.e. when the boater/lake economy turns sour).

Sorry you have a problem w/the marine association. I have no relationship with them. "




blackcat wrote on Nov 1, 2009 5:45 PM:

" Resident - I'm sorry, but the retirement community doesn't do all that much for Havasu. In fact, I think it hurts the city in stifling growth. We need people in the city with a vision. Then that vision needs to be put into action. I don't think I was over-dramatic at all. I have the city in its prime and it was good. "




r2sweet99 wrote on Nov 1, 2009 6:34 AM:

" are you all voters? have you made yourselves know TO the city by placing votes on this matter, if so, GREAT TURN OUT hope it makes a difference, I'd like to see some of these suggestions become a reality here . "




tim wrote on Nov 1, 2009 12:05 AM:

" yes im sorry youre right black cat-those were some suggestions-but by all means-our city council, the people of this city and the old people all need to come to the understanding that we need to be a city-united with each other and for each other-period.
We need younger blood on the council-people that work for a living and understand the needs.
And resident-when you mentioned the marine association-i knew why i never read your comments-that summed it up-
The marine association is doing alot of back handed deals-and have the council on speed dial--Why dont you use your real name? Ive seen the "boycott and the fire jim" decals-I have seen your guy's work first hand-you should be ashamed of yourselves-Donate and do good in the public eye but all your good ol boy crap behind closed doors. "




resident wrote on Oct 31, 2009 7:48 PM:

" blackcat, you're being a bit overly dramatic regarding efforts of city workers, as well as, the city not planning a vision.

1-what about the work that went into main street
2-what about the work that went into the Bridgewater Channel Riverwalk Redevelopment Plan
3-what about all the zoning changes required to implement this new development
4-what about the sewer project winding down. Yea, the sewer is a pain but real cities need real infrastructure. We are now poised for your 'expansion'

Maybe the city should provide more of a scorecard of accomplishments to keep old and new residents abreast or its vision.

I just hope we don't lose focus on our two strengths - the marine community (keep building lake resources) and the retirement community (start developing niche geriatric healthcare systems). Don't waste scarce resources on average projects like main street, a casino, another losing golf course... "




blackcat wrote on Oct 31, 2009 10:05 AM:

" When are people going to realize that there isn't any one answer for getting business going? It's not a casino or strip club. It's not main street or the business park. There has to be a mindset change. The powers to be has to change their mindset from operating like a small town to planning for expansion. There needs to be some planning, milestones, and goals set. If you think just a water park or more weddings will do the trick, then you're missing the bigger picture.

In doing so there needs to be cooperation with city government, CVB, and local business along with input from the public. This has to be an effort and not just something that is addressed when there is a 'crisis.'

Unfortunately I don't think anyone in the city government or Chamber and CVB has dedication to this. They go to work, collect a paycheck, and go home. There is nothing wrong with this, except a lack of passion. Right now the interim CVB president is just there to push papers and answer email. Let's get someone in there with young blood and who isn't afraid to shake things up. If not hen we disband the CVB and hire an outside marketing firm.

Until the mindset of the town's government is changed, Havasu will be stagnant. "




tomgarven wrote on Oct 31, 2009 8:28 AM:

" posted by tomgarven@hotmail.com

It has been a day or two since I posted something and wanted to thank those that responded to my plea for valid e-mail addresses. Lots of good ideas [and some not so hot, LOL] starting to arrive. Responding to every e-mail will be a challenge but I will try.

Back to what I believe we can accomplish. Venture capital as stated is very limited during this economic downturn. But there are other alternatives. Land, and we own lots of it, is just as good as cash. Also the "Good Will" of a community towards a business is sometimes more valuable than $500,000 in the bank.

It would be nice to welcome some solar company to town that wanted to build a factory here and employee 600 people but it doesn't have to be the WHOLE factory. It can be a part of some company or business which supports or manufacturers parts, pieces and/or components for other companies. We can do this, we can find a way if we choose to. We should also be doing everything we can to support our existing businesses; our hospitality, boat and tourism industries are the first that come to mind. Remember to VOTE ON NOVEMBER 3.

I am still gathering up positive ideas, suggestions and recommendations. Have not counted them up yet but there must be about 15-20 positive ideas so far.

tomgarven@hotmail.com "




resident wrote on Oct 30, 2009 2:29 PM:

" Sameo Sameo, I'm glad you're one of the 13% that have a Bachelor's degree or higher in lhc. Unfortunatley, you're casino drumbeat reflects the opposite: keep the expections low for the city and soon we will be another armpit like Laughlin. "




! wrote on Oct 30, 2009 12:59 PM:

" I hope the city stays out of the free market and doesn't try to stimulate business with tax dollars. Let the market control itself. Let's not kid ourselves there are only so many businesses that can succeed in such a small population. "




Sameo Sameo wrote on Oct 30, 2009 12:23 PM:

" Mr. Garven I think were both singing from the same Hymnal but on different pages. I agree with you that Solar is in our future but with Venture Capital almost non existent at this time I doubt any development here is possible until capital becomes more available. The lake seems to be our best attraction so more water related events could possibly increase tourism without requiring large capital investment. Restoration of the English Village should get top priority as well as better Marina facilities. Bringing in any HiTech manufacturing would require very expensive setup costs compared to those associated with a casino or marina facility. Note to "resident": Your suggestion that I "go back to school and get a degree" is rather amusing since "I've been there and done that" years ago. Would love to compare CVs with you sometime. "




tim wrote on Oct 29, 2009 10:56 PM:

" We need high rollers-Sorry havasu 100-move over
so
1. a good quality water park
2. a push on the wedding on the water-business-that is big money and it would include all the hotels and halls-as part of a package.
3. a gentlemens club-dont boo me!! put it inbetween parker/or bullhaed and here-They bring in money and if done correctly arent shady.

SEX sells-if done right -it could benifit our town without corruption.

There is nothing wrong with sex-we have all done it and it shouldnt be considered so shamefull.
It was designed by GOD!! "




bob wrote on Oct 29, 2009 10:43 PM:

" This is ridiculous!!
If you are wanting more businesses-then why did you get rid of the 8 businesses on the lake-the jet ski rental and food boats?
The same vendors who used to by their gas from the texaco-that just closed last week.
Its a chain reaction.
The council didnt tell you that they had to pay all the vendors the 2%tax that they have paid. So it cost the city about 20,000. "




tomgarven wrote on Oct 29, 2009 9:21 PM:

" tomgarven@hotmail.com writes:

I was going to try and respond to every e-mail on this form and quickly realized that it would take up too much space. Instead, I have decided to write a short THANK YOU to everyone for their excellent ideas, suggestions and recommendations.

Someone questioned what my agenda might be. I DO HAVE an agenda and that agenda is this. I want to use the skills that I have to improve our community – that is my agenda. I want to do whatever I can to bring more jobs to our community, more tourists, more snow birds and yes more new and exciting work or our younger generation. That's my agenda, now you know.

Tonight I decided to start working part time for you - the citizens of Havasu. I have copied all of your new business ideas and put them into a word processing file. Many are too good to loose in cyberspace. Later on when I get enough maybe someone can help me put them on a website for everyone to see. Who knows, one of you may end up on the Sharks TV show. If we get enough ideas we might even be able to make a presentation to the city council. If we were REALLY lucky, maybe we could get someone to hire 600 people.
If you DO NOT want your recommendation or factitious name listed just send me an e-mail and it will be removed.

tomgarven@hotmail.com "




Victoria wrote on Oct 29, 2009 7:07 PM:

" Higher life form; I agree wholeheartedly and I have some more to add to that like a killer beach type bar with a wave machine for surfing fun and competition events. We have one in San Diego that kicks all year long with surf events as well as concerts! We have a second house in LHC and plan on moving there in the near future. I'll run for city council and get things started, you get here as soon as you can, this city needs to take advantage of it's many natural assets. LHC has the land, the lake and beautiful venues for countless activities, what the heck are they waiting for? Ladies & Gentlemen, START YOUR ENGINES!! "




higher life form wrote on Oct 29, 2009 10:37 AM:

" I've posted a great and easy idea before but here it is again. This is a desert with a lake. You want entertainment with some high rollers bringing in some big bucks? Contact the ABRA (abrahydroplanes.com)for some Hydroplane racing. They have room on the schedule. Contact Red Bull Air Racing (redbullairrace.com). Contact AMA and build a state of the art Motocross track and put it on there racing schedule. Build a state of the art Formula 1 track for F1 and Moto GP.These folks have a ton of money and will bring there minions with them. Lets not let foreign contries (Dubi) grab this from the USA. Wake up LHC leaders!! I am 15 years away from retirement and I live and work in OC, Ca. We have a second house in LHC we spend 90% of the summer there. I love LHC!! When I come to live full time I will run for office and win by creating a racing MECA. Sorry it's going to take so long. "




hotnhavasu wrote on Oct 29, 2009 10:28 AM:

" where was this survey at? I personally think that we should do a big reno job of this town from getting the word out that all the redicculas stipulations on having fun in this town are gone then lets fix up the english village and get some good industry here and what about a water park ,Drive in movies,large concert area venue .I must say i do like what the main street committy is doing I can't wait for new years eve party there I hope the whole town shows up so this could be a continuing thing. "




resident wrote on Oct 29, 2009 9:36 AM:

" LosTacos, this city has two unique niche markets to build upon:
1-the marine community because of the lake (keep building lakeside resources for the boaters and most importantly, grow the boat manufacturing base here in the city)
2-the retirement community
(for the life of me I can not figure out why residents of the community do not see the value of the retirement community and I'm not close to retirement. Are we serving and expanding services for this tax base?

The city needs to focus on our two unique strenghts so they can become exceptional, and not waste scarce resources on projects that make us average (i.e. another golf course, a casino, main street...) "




StillStanding wrote on Oct 29, 2009 7:20 AM:

" The reason Tom is that in these times some of us enjoy a sense of anonymity and particularly in this town. Your benefit of being well-retired serves you well, you are not still trying to earn a living here and subject to the slings and arrows. That is of course unless you have some self-serving purpose as to try to draw attention to yourself as some sort of local pundit, to which Tom can I offer you the suggestion that brevity is a virtue. "




hava-NY-er wrote on Oct 29, 2009 6:19 AM:

" Tom..you have some great points and arguments. But get off the begging for email kick...It's understood that you want to be emailed by people who agree or disagree with you but, most to all, others don't. So drop it. "




dubld wrote on Oct 29, 2009 4:45 AM:

" A solar project, a casino, more access to the lake, a business 'park', renovation or beautification of the city...all of these are very welcome in my eyes. The problem here, is that the city makes it too hard for private business to come in & do their thing. Another, say with the casino, is that the survey made it seem like the city would be building it. When in reality, all they have to do is collect building fees & issue permits. Then pay taxes.
The other hotels/restaurants would just have to cope.
A solar idea would be great for here but again, havasu is the great business snubber of AZ. "




LosTacos wrote on Oct 29, 2009 4:42 AM:

" This site has some valid points,

lake-havasu-city-arizona.blogspot.com/2009/10/city-attorney-warns-cvb.html "




LosTacos wrote on Oct 29, 2009 4:30 AM:

" tomgarven, The reason for using screen names is for our safety because some people on here ie; somthingamphibian and nonotreally, who seem to get very angry and make personal attacks when we write our opinions. sooo probly not a good idea to give out your info on here. All though because it's a public forum info is available....I must note though Tom you have some excellent ideas that I agree with. The problem is some of the "wiser" folks that run this city are stuck in a bubble, afraid of change, and back in the day were never taught to think outside the box. The other problem is I always hear, "Small tourist town." or "Retirment comunity." Well it's Lake Havasu City. Not Village, Not town. Retirement community? yeah maybe back in 1982. London Bridge (sorry but besides the foreign tourists it's passe and so 30 yrs ago)and Old English Village(well we all see what's happened there.)Havasu is sometimes like a Commodore 64, it's classy and slow, But sometimes you just have to update to a Dell dual core processor to get anything done. When I'm ready for old and slow I'll move to the Town or village of Oatman or maybe Bouse. Havasu is an entertainment community, we just need to get some more entertainment, and the city council, travel tourism. need to learn how to advertise and sell Havasu. When I tell most people where I live they say, "Where? Where's that?" "




LosTacos wrote on Oct 29, 2009 3:35 AM:

" A survey? What is this 1965? Out with the old, in with the new. Maybe when the milk man drops off the milk at my stoop Fido will get the paper and the headlines will read, "Havasu Released From Timewarp." This city needs newer younger blood on city council and others. I think they need to go back to college? is 550 a fair sample from the population? Did they take in consideration the diversity of the sampled population ie: age groups, male, female, social standing, income levels, children, no children, and the survey was taken when most of the summer crowd (younger people who want to spend $$ here)are gone? Biased or unbiased random sampling? This is why most modern communities in the late 60's and 70's did away with these types of surveys. Havasu is a great place to live just need to catch up with the times. "




tomgarven wrote on Oct 28, 2009 10:01 PM:

" Sameo Sameo wrote on Oct 28, 2009 2:44 PM:"...list any of their suggestions for creating a similar number of job opportunities that a Casino would provide."

Part 2 of my answer. Before I retired I worked for several Fortune 1000 corporations so I am going to tell you right up front my answer is going to be swayed by that experience.

If you read my posts you know that I believe we are heading for a society that is going to be using some forms of renewable energy in our future. Maybe some solar, wind, bio-fuel, geothermal and maybe even some nuclear. Right now companies like General Electric [GE], Lockheed Martin, Bechtel Power, Sterling Energy, First Solar and other companies are growing by leaps and bounds and yes people are getting jobs everyday. You don't have to go far on a job search websites to learn what types of employees people are looking for. Each and every one of these companies needs parts, components and assemblies to make the products they sell. They need engineers, technicians, electricians and solar installers. Many other communities are offering free land, tax incentives and yes even the government is giving out grants to states and local communities to start businesses that will take us into the future.

So my guess is that if we looked for what we can CURRENTLY do and what we SHOULD BE doing for the future we could see a clear path. The thing I find troubling is that we don't seem to be even looking for alternatives to what we have. Since you asked for an idea here is one I think might have merit.

Sterling Energy Systems has developed a solar disk capable of generating lots of electricity. Thousands are going to be needed for a solar power plant being built about 150 miles from Havasu. The current dish is complex, heavy steel construction and difficult to build. It would however be a pretty simple thing for a boat builder to manufacturer. A new mold, a chopper gun, some gel coat and resin and bingo you have a parabolic dish that will take about 100 workers to keep up with production-well maybe? Now some of this might be possible and some of the steps might be too simplified but how will we ever know unless we start thinking and looking into alternative industries for our cummunity.

Remember - we once manufactured chain saws that used to keep over 600 people employed in Havasu. We sure could use those 600 jobs about now.

That's one of my ideas - what's yours.

Oh and by the way, this is my real e-mail address - whats' yours?

tomgarven@hotmail.com "




tomgarven wrote on Oct 28, 2009 9:08 PM:

" Sameo wrote on Oct 28, 2009 2:44 PM:
"Would any of the 57% that objected to a Casino...

I didn't really object to the casino but rather didn't think it would be a wise investment for our community.

Unless they closed down the casino across the lake why would we even want one? People just jump on the boat, enjoy the ride across the lake or drive to Laughlin and stay in one of the hotels there for $18.00/night sun-thur. I thought having a casino in town would have put even more pressure on our local hotels to cut prices. Also how can a local restaurant compete with a $5.99 prime rib dinner if you don't have casino cash to supplement the restaurant operation. I couldn't see how building a casino in Havasu would have a positive affect on our local hotel room rates, restaurants, theaters, and other businesses.

So where do you think I was wrong?

tomgarven@hotmail.com "




resident wrote on Oct 28, 2009 4:34 PM:

" Sameo Sameo, go back to school and get a degree or move to Vegas (or that pit they call Laughlin). "




Sameo Sameo wrote on Oct 28, 2009 2:44 PM:

" Would any of the 57% that objected to a Casino please list any of their suggestions for creating a similar number of job opportunities that a Casino would provide. "




dubld wrote on Oct 28, 2009 2:40 PM:

" I favor casino development.
At this point any development is needed. "




tomgarven wrote on Oct 28, 2009 2:22 PM:

" I'm still waiting:

CAN SOMEONE PLEASE TELL ME WHY PEOPLE USE PHONY NAMES TO LOG IN TO THIS FORM instead of a real e-mail address?

Everyone realizes that they can still get FREE web e-mail address at MSN Hotmail, Google and Yahoo right?

tomgarven@hotmail.com "




Sameo Sameo wrote on Oct 28, 2009 12:17 PM:

" I submitted my response to the CIAC survey and must have been the only one that favoured Casino development. I wish those that so strongly oppose a Casino could offer suggestions on what other business could equal the employment opportunities that a Casino does. Granted the majority of Casino jobs are entry level, they are JOBS and before anything else, this town needs JOBS. "




captain caous wrote on Oct 28, 2009 10:15 AM:

" My biggest concern is the full access to citizens to walk along the channel on both sides between the bridge and the crazy horse. How is it that a condo complex can place a metal fence along the sand and in to the water so that the public has no outlet. I thought the waters edge was public? OHHHH wea this is not Malibu. Guess the little people are not allowed access to walk along the channel. "




tomgarven wrote on Oct 28, 2009 9:18 AM:

" posted by: tomgarven@hotmail.com

I am sure everyone agrees there are some good ideas on this form. There are of course others who believe we should do something entirely different which of coruse also fine.

I would love to see all the empty buildings in town filled with businesses. They say small businesses creates between 60-80% of all jobs. Look at our community as an example. Most of our boat manufacturers, home builders, hotels/motels, restaurants and many stores are all small businesses and I try and support them whenever I shop.

However SMALL businesses DO NOT seem to be currently in favor with our government. I recently went to a small [SBA} seminar and while there were a few funds available, most of the money is going to companies like: General Electric [GE], General Motors, Banking, and solar manufacturing companies. Also most of the government grants and stimulus funds [our tax dollars] are going to LARGE corporation, city and state agencies. There are quite a few Government jobs available if you want to relocate. Get the picture?

So the country is changing - it appears to be favoring BIG businesses or at least BIG businesses seem to have the clout to get certain things done.

I happen to like the idea of a teen center in the old Walmart building with paint ball courses, skating [roller and board], game center and other activities. My only concern would be, if we built it, could our community consistently support it? We are talking maybe $300-500,000 in cost to get it up and running. Anyone care to calculate the break even point of such a business? How many kids currently have that kind of money to spend on a consistent basis to support such a venture. Maybe what we need first are some jobs to put money in peoples pockets.

How about a new industrial center out by the airport? I guess some people are against that idea because someone might get rich off the idea. Well do we really care if they create 600 new good paying jobs for our citizens?

I could go on for hours but this post is already too long and very few people will even read it. If I am lucky maybe about 10 or 15 before the article is taken down off the server.

And that's one of the problems with these forms. Everyone signs in with some phony or factitious name. I guess no one really cares since they don't care enough to even post a valid e-mail address. What if someone thought your idea was a really good one? How would someone ever contact you? What if there was an investor out there right now waiting for a good idea? Maybe it's just me but is everyone frightened to post an e-mail address on this form?

CAN SOMEONE PLEASE TELL ME WHY PEOPLE USE PHONY NAMES?

tomgarven@hotmail.com "




azmama65 wrote on Oct 28, 2009 7:28 AM:

" I'm with Mr. Havasu! What is going to be done with all the vacant buildings in town? "




hava-NY-er wrote on Oct 28, 2009 5:00 AM:

" Years ago I remember a story about a major manufacturing company (can't quite remember the company name) that ended up "not" moving into Havasu due to the town arguing with the company over sidewalks. That is how the city can destroy itself as a non-friendly business atmosphere. But high-paying jobs are not created by a city. They are created by an individual who becomes lawyers or doctors or business owners. Havasu is a small tourist town - a town that serves them and it's people. Not many high paying positions in the service industry (unless you own one of them). Just have to face facts that Havasu has been, still is and always will be a small desert community where the people must look beyond its city leaders for guidance. "




resident wrote on Oct 27, 2009 8:18 PM:

" Why do so many people blame the city for not creating higher paying jobs for them? It just doesn't make sense.

Go back to school if you want more money. "




Mr. Havasu wrote on Oct 27, 2009 7:25 PM:

" I find it hard to believe that the public wants to support the City's pet project "business park" when we have vacant business buildings all over town, what's wrong with this picture! "




havasu♥lover wrote on Oct 27, 2009 7:22 PM:

" Maybe if there were some higher paying jobs around here, like at "the business park that could've been", a lot of us locals could afford boats. I mean, we live right next to a lake. The old cronies that run the show seem to be more concerned with golf courses! "




LHCMOM wrote on Oct 27, 2009 1:56 PM:

" I didn't participate in the survey. As a matter of fact, I didn't even know they were doing one. Yes, we need more things for kids of all ages to do...inside and outside. What we need is for somone to invest in the old Walmart and convert it into a skate/bike park with paintball and an arcade...and not charge the kids an arm and a leg to use it. How about another roller rink??? "




hava-NY-er wrote on Oct 27, 2009 1:13 PM:

" Survey circa 1980 yielded the same results...more businesses, more activities for the young and no casino...hmmmm times have changed ZERO. How about a convention center, airport traffic, world-class softball/baseball park or even a world-class water park. Think outside the box people...build stuff people will come. Closing in a wash (Pima wash) does NOTHING. "




resident wrote on Oct 27, 2009 10:12 AM:

" sound follow-up AskingQuestions. Unfortunately, they desire answers that fit their agenda.

Luckily the casino question was a big no. "




tomgarven wrote on Oct 27, 2009 10:03 AM:

" For a more complete reading of the results of the survey you will have to do a Google search for the following phrase because we can't post links here.
You can copy the following phrase from the above article into Google.

"Community Investment Advisory Committee"

It is usually the first link that appears at the top of the page. If for some reason you can not do a search or your search engine does not give you the results desired; please send me an e-mail me and I will provide the exact link to you.

Sincerely
tomgarven@hotmail.com "




! wrote on Oct 27, 2009 8:14 AM:

" AskingQuestions, I must agree with you. I took the survey and felt the same. The mentality that tell the government what you'll want and it will be has to stop. "




AskingQuestions wrote on Oct 27, 2009 5:55 AM:

" I don't want to complain, but I took the survey and having been trained in methodology, I wish they would have gone to their Political Science and Psychology professors in town and asked them to help with this study.

Question like "Should we have more activities for the children in the parks?"
strongly agree - agree - disagree - strongly disagree.

The positive result you get from this type of question is meaningless because the question is skewed towards a positive answer. There's no "cost" associated with agreeing with what is perceived as a positive activity. Most of the questions on the survey were formed in this way, so you have no way of really knowing what's important to a person.

A better way would have been:
Our town has this amount of money in our treasury. Here is a list of projects and their associated costs. List them according to which ones you think are most important, but remember the total cost of the projects you pick can not exceed the total treasury amount. Force people to make a choice, make them confront the scarcity of the resource, then you'll find out what citizens think is most important to them.

This town has great resources with MCC and NAU, you should utilize those professors and students more. After all they're the experts in things like this. "




Non-hater wrote on Oct 26, 2009 11:41 PM:

" I find myself sitting here wondering.....Did Lee Barnes make it through this meeting without making offensive remarks?

When one gets to this point, I think it is may be time for Lee to consider if he is truly effective any longer.
One good sign, at least he is finally off of the school board! "




FORMER JUDGE wrote on Oct 26, 2009 10:57 PM:

" It jusk kills me that these people need a survey to know this ??? Talk about out of touch,,,,This City needs some YOUNG BLOOD "

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