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State Parks Board raising premium pass price

By NATHAN BRUTTELL
Today's News-Herald
Published Friday, November 13, 2009 10:17 PM MST

State parks users spoke and the State Parks Board listened, according to officials.


The State Parks Board voted unanimously Friday afternoon to raise the price of the premium pass for the 2010 season to $200 from $125, as opposed to eliminating it. The Board also voted to increase the price of the standard pass to $75 from $50 and increase gate fees to $15 from $10 for weekends and holidays.

“I think that will ensure the people that wanted it that they got their wish,” Lake Havasu State Park Manager Tim Kristof said. “A lot of it was due to their efforts and they were listened to, so it’s a good thing.”

Lake Havasu Marine Association Director Jim Salscheider, who sat in on the meeting, said Board members asked about attendance at the informative meetings and staff responded that Lake Havasu City had the biggest response.

“They said it was around 100-200 people at the one in Lake Havasu,” Salscheider said, adding that the most another meeting held was only about 20 people. “It’s a big win for Lake Havasu because people showed how important it was and they made their voices heard.”

Salscheider added the vote might indicate a shift in the importance of Lake Havasu City for the Parks Board.

“I think they now know a lot more about Lake Havasu and a lot more about our concerns,” he said. “I think they will probably pay a lot more attention to Windsor than they did before.”

The Board previously considered eliminating the pass and increasing the price of the standard pass that wouldn’t work on Fridays, Saturdays, Sundays and holidays from March 1 to Sept. 30 but would work like the premium pass otherwise. State Parks staff then made new recommendations after receiving more than 420 responses from concerned citizens.

“It was an overwhelming response from the public,” State Parks Division Assistant Director Jay Ream said, adding it was the largest response the Board received on any issue. “We’ve always gotten good responses from Lake Havasu City but they really came out for this one.”

Ream said 359 of the responses received opposed the elimination of the premium pass. “Many of them favored an increase in the price rather than us getting rid of it,” Ream said. “Staff looked at it and asked what the break point would be in how much we would need to still make money and we decided $200 was right.”

The premium pass will work 365 days a year, including 160 weekend days and holidays, Ream said.

“If you do the math on what it would cost for someone to go every one of those days, it’s about a $2,200 value. So that’s really big,” Ream said. “If you look at it backwards from a business standpoint though, that’s $2,200 State Parks is losing in revenue.”

Determining a public opinion was the most important thing to the Board, Ream said.

“I’ve been doing these for 30 years and every time there’s an issue we look at public response, even though there is no requirement by law,” Ream said. “We’re glad to offer this because even though that $2,200 is against us, we know how important it is to the people that use the parks.”

State Parks Chief Public Information Officer Ellen Bilbrey said she hopes the vote also helps residents realize the value of voicing their opinions.

“We’re continuing to work with the community and we were really excited to get so many good comments,” Bilbrey said. “Staff looked at those comments and felt they were valid. So it’s great to see the people getting what they want.”

You can contact the reporter at nbruttell@havasunews.com

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Comments (25 comment(s))

    Mutant wrote on Nov 20, 2009 6:55 PM:

    " as to "pal" i do say the marina's shuttle to their 1 lonely ramp is certainly worth not allowing the big, fast, noisy boats. no yearly pass except for those who lived in havasu before the bridge was here seems fair to me? hmm. can't wait until the marina starts having a trail people can actually see birds other than gulls. "

    Mutant wrote on Nov 20, 2009 6:48 PM:

    " I hate to say I agree with manyfoldedfoods but the comments make sense. As for those who don't use the really hard to miss iron ranger pay station after windsor is closed, i hope they sleep at night knowing the city is just waiting to take over. i don't know why since the city has site six and wants to start charging for that joke of a ramp. state parks may be slightly over priced but when will the marina allow boats bigger than the bridge to launch? or louder than ssts to launch? and last i looked windsor even has a campground and holds events at the other end of the launch ramp area. how often does the city have a big event that has plenty/lots of parking? so many of you narow minded readers think only of the launch ramp- i hope they tell the city to take a flying leap off a short pier and have them move all those events somewhere else. "

    LosTacos wrote on Nov 19, 2009 9:58 PM:

    " Jim Salscheider from LHMA showed up in Phoenix for the State Parks board meeting and probably has more FACTS then us? I heard a rumor he has own agenda for Windsor, While the rest of us are still trying to figure out Dusans opinion? Sooo police are not allowed to arrest on Laws broken based on ARS (AZ revised Statute) but instead ask, "sir, what is your annual gross income before taxes? I need to know before I give you a ticket for breaking the law or arrest you." sorry but some comments funny. What does this have to do with $75 increase (not $100), see comment rules to the right of screen? Next people will blame fire fighters for the State Parks Pass increase? "

    LosTacos wrote on Nov 19, 2009 8:38 PM:

    " To Dusan, What??? that didn't make any sense... Bud, You do have a sense of humor. Ya might not want to take a friends annual pass cause I heard a rumor they are checking ID's and people "holding" the wrong pass will be held accountable as they are non transferable (ie theft = county jail and criminal record). Bud...I wouldn't give anyone ideas. Keep in mind, the public including law enforcement read this also. Just ask Lakelizard. "

    Victoria wrote on Nov 19, 2009 7:59 PM:

    " Bud, your cool, you get it!!We have launched at Lake Havasu Marina many times, it's OK but that ramp area is too narrow for comfort if you have a larger boat. It gets a little harry if just one person messes up. Besides that they don't offer a year pass which makes the line to enter move VERY slow..

    Dusan, WHAT?? That just didn't make any sense at all... "

    LakeLizard wrote on Nov 19, 2009 3:26 PM:

    " Every night at Site six huh? Weird, but then again every law enforcment agency will tell you crime goes up when the economy goes down, but somehow I just dont see it, right now a lot of hard working people are sitting around doing nothing, but to call them criminals is insulting. home burglaries should be down with nobody away from them working all day "

    Dusan wrote on Nov 19, 2009 12:52 PM:

    " I sure hope the police keep track who still has a job and write tickets accordingly "

    Bud wrote on Nov 19, 2009 9:06 AM:

    " Victoria, I'll chat with you any day. Finally someone that's understanding and can appreciate a sense of humor. I guess it's hard to read sarcasm on the internet. When you make comments about $100k fishing boats and someone flies off the handle about it, that's really sad. Some people need to turn the page, like me.
    I was just venting my anger on the subject and it seems everyone would rather attack the poster. Alot of anger towards opinions in here. I didn't realize I needed to explain every comment I made. Let them have their fun and make up stories for me.
    Funny how people make assumptions that someone didn't attend meetings or go online to the state park and make excuses for the rangers. When you can drive through the gates at night at Windsor, there is NO security, same as site 6. The Marina has the same daily fee and more to offer. I guess all my questions were already answered so I had no business being here in the first place.
    Victoria, can I borrow your pass this weekend? C ya "

    Mr. Havasu wrote on Nov 19, 2009 7:02 AM:

    " When are you people going to realize that this is nothing more than another TAX increase? Adequate monies are generated at Windsor to run the park. ADDITIONALLY, MONIES ARE COLLECTED THRU VARIOUS FUNDING THAT HAVE BEEN DIVERTED TO THE GENERAL FUND TO COVER THE COSTS OF THE STATES OVERSPENDING. NOW THEY WANT THE PUBLIC TO PAY MORE FOR A PASS SO THE STATE CAN CONTINUE TO MISAPPROPRIATE FUNDS INSTEAD OF MAKING BUDGET CUTS TO BALANCE THE STATES BUDGET.

    Sorry for the caps, to lazy to re-type in lower case. "

    Victoria wrote on Nov 18, 2009 5:21 PM:

    " Bud, glad to see you have a sense of humor. I understand what you are saying about paying more and getting less however, as you mentioned gas and everything else has gone up therefore the State has to pay more for everything too. We are not getting more; the fees are just rising with the cost of doing business. As for laying people off to save a buck, they are short handed as it is. If it wasn't for those who volunteer on busy weekends, launching at Windsor would be an absolute mess. I appreciate the fact that they did not eliminate the year pass even if we have to pay more to keep it. Could you imagine the wait in line if everyone had to pay at the booth every time they launched. The year pass still saves us a little money even at $200.00 but the biggest blessing is the efficiency it brings at the entry booth "

    LosTacos wrote on Nov 18, 2009 4:28 PM:

    " bud hasn't been keeping up on news, to answer your query, "Why didn't they opt to cut staff or their wages? It's in the paper for months almost once or twice a week. State parks has laid off several people one wave was in February and 2nd wave which shut down several programs and several people from parks lost there jobs. Hence the LHMA volunteers at the ramps and such because Windsor has been less then 50% staffed for over a year since the first rounds of budget cuts because they aren't even filing positions.As far as your vehicle being broken into did you attempt to get a LE Ranger which in the summer are out at night, and would have been glad to assist you? But from what I hear there is only like one or two, where as before the budget cuts and layoffs there were 4 or 5.If I do recall the sign does say park at your own risk after hours.Keep in mind those guys also have other ranger duties and can't be every where at all times to catch the bad guys. All your questions have been answered here by other poster's who have been paying attention and been active ie such as going to those fee meetings and sending their opinions on line to state parks. Sorry Bud a sole is a flatfish or the bottom of a shoe ;). you can always go to site 6 where there is NO security and vehicle breakins happen every night, and only 1 ramp. "

    Bud wrote on Nov 18, 2009 4:22 PM:

    " kwb, I have a $5k fishing boat and can't afford the extra 75 bucks. Learn to do the math. Last I checked, it didn't require thousands in maintenance. Where do you people get your ideas and lack of info from? I guess you assume everyone launching a boat has $100k boats.
    If you learned how to use spell check, I would take you more seriously. "

    kwb wrote on Nov 18, 2009 2:17 PM:

    " Hey Bud thats a great idea why don't the state lay off a few more people and cut some wages so you can save a few dollars when you want to launch your fishing boat. If you can afford the toy and the thousands of dollars in expenses that go with it quit griping about and extra 100 bucks a year. If you can't affpord the 100 bucks a year sell your boat and take up another hobby. "

    Bud wrote on Nov 18, 2009 10:55 AM:

    " Victoria, of course I'm complaining, I didn't get my way. :)
    It doesn't make sense that when the state park is having money issues, they just raise fees. And we get nothing extra in return. Why didn't they opt to cut staff or their wages? Are you happy when gas prices go up or your prescriptions? I bet not.
    400+ people responding barely fills up 1/4 of the parking lot at Windsor on a single day. I just don't feel that out of those few people the state park can make a fair judgement.
    OK, I'm done complaining. Glad it turned out in your favor.
    kwb, that's must be one heck of a fishing boat you have for $100k. "

    Victoria wrote on Nov 18, 2009 7:16 AM:

    " Bud, I went to the meeting and voiced my opinion that we would rather pay a higher fee than have the year pass eliminated. I filled out the online form to voice that same opinion. It is apparent that several hundred people did the same. Input was requested via more than one article in this paper, on line and at the meeting. Did you bother to voice your opinion prior to their vote? Did others who are opposed to the increase participate in the process? If you did, it is apparent that the voice of the majority was heard which was in favor of the increase. If you voiced your opinion against the increase, you were not in the majority. If you didn't bother to participate, why are you complaining now?? "

    kwb wrote on Nov 18, 2009 5:31 AM:

    " Let me see 100k+ for boat 40K + for trailer and truck to tow yacht 100$ + for fuel per day where am I going to find 200$ for a yearly pass. All the griping here is a joke right. "

    Bud wrote on Nov 17, 2009 1:58 PM:

    " I remember when the pass was less than $100. What have they done since then that requires us to pay $200?
    Windsor IS more convienant than going to site six BUT for the same daily fee, you can use the marina that has alot more to offer than the park, like security after 5pm. If you come back late to the state park, you have a chance of having your vehicle broken into, like mine did. Not a sole around.
    white shadow, i wasn't one of the people that complained about getting rid of the pass nor did I want an increase. The park based their decision on only 420+ responses and "many" favored the increase? How many?
    I just don't understand how this could pass unanimously. Maybe they should have sent ballots out to all boat owners or asked everyone to vote on a busy weekend that used the ramps. I bet the outcome would have been alot different. "

    sunny864 wrote on Nov 17, 2009 8:21 AM:

    " What a joke!site six is where its at.free,free,free "

    white shadow wrote on Nov 16, 2009 3:53 PM:

    " What is wrong with you people? You complain when they were talking about getting rid of the pass. And if I'm not mistaken quite a few people said they would be more than happy to pay more for the pass. You just can't please everyone. I am more than happy to pay more for the pass rather than go to site 6. "

    Bud wrote on Nov 16, 2009 2:57 PM:

    " So the state park needs money so they raise their fees? Do they assume everyone who owns a boat has an unlimited bank account? And what do we get extra for this price increase? nothing
    I wish I could give myself a raise everytime I needed money.
    They won't be getting my $200 next year. I hope they put that equation into their thoughlessness.
    Next thing you know we'll all be heading to CA with the tourists since it will be cheaper to live and boat there. "

    Mutant wrote on Nov 15, 2009 7:44 PM:

    " let us recap- the city has a launch ramp called site 6- all are welcome to use it especially the drunks so captron can go wait in line (and pay a fee to park at the old airport- just pay d barlow for the private-ledge); cal.havafew needs to watch the signs and not think that those with passes don't pay every time(and one would think needs to slow down), as for me; I'll pay the increase just to avoid the line over the falling down bridge. you can see it listing more each day- more expensive homes on the island that don't sell means the world famous 2nd freedom bridge will be built any day now. so what else is new more $ out of pocket to enjoy the lake- deal with it, the Calboaters certainly will. and WHavD-- lhcma has left the building and the ramp area- didn't you read the paper? lhcma is more interested now in buoying off the entire lake and the river before Jim S becomes mayor. vote often, vote for more channel changes! "

    BonHomme Richard wrote on Nov 14, 2009 5:43 PM:

    " I vote with my wallet and feet. I don't need to use the state parks. Federal parks are covered by my Golden Eagel pass, no cost for handicap. "

    Captainron wrote on Nov 14, 2009 8:39 AM:

    " Really? $200 dollars to launch a boat and a parking spot? I think Havasu needs its own public launch ramp that is operated by the city. Windsor and Cattail both make BIG PROFITS, but becasue other parks in the state don't, they make us pay. Hey Havasu City officals do the math on this, 350 parking spaces at 10 bucks, 3,500 in one day, 7,000 in one weekend, and a three day weekend should clear 10,000. Lets stop giving our money away to the state and keep it in our town. "

    cal/hav wrote on Nov 14, 2009 7:24 AM:

    " Launch Pass in Havasu $200. Inpounded vehicle for parking Friday thru Monday $375. Ticket for 7mph in Thompson Bay $185.00.
    Looking for a memorable vacation filled with outdoor adventures? Come to Lake Havasu City to discover everything fun about Arizona. (CVB Website)
    Boy are they really working on bringing tourist to Havasu. Guess those voting never heard of Laffers Curve in Business school. Those fees are just an additional tax. We need some PRIVATE Ramps and Marinas. "

    WATCHING HAVASU DIE wrote on Nov 14, 2009 12:19 AM:

    " Is this guy for real? The state is losing 2k RIGHT! Nobody goes everyday,,Im sure there is someone in the state parks system that could crunch the numbers from past years and show major flaws in that statement,,Actually they are saving money by lowering the Cash in (shrinkage)employee theft! I am very happy no involvement from the Marine Assn thou,,, "

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