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Garage blaze causes $800K in damages

By JAYNE HANSON
Today's News-Herald
Published Tuesday, December 1, 2009 7:07 AM MST

A garage fire at a residence in the 2000 block of Snead Drive caused about $800,000 damage late Friday night. Fire investigators said Monday they believe the fire was started after a forgotten barbecue grill ignited nearby combustible materials associated with the structure of the balcony.


“It (fire) ran up the inside of the pillar and across the (roof) ridgeline, where it had direct access to the attic,” said Lake Havasu City Fire Department Battalion Chief Mike Quijada, who was on duty that night.

A citizen passing by the residence noticed the fire burning around a barbeque grill on the balcony of the residence and alerted the Havasu homeowners to evacuate the home. Two occupants and two large dogs were safely evacuated from the resident however a gray cat is still reported missing.

Initial investigations determined the possibility the barbecue grill was left on and maybe forgotten resulting in wall material behind composite tiles to heat up and ignite, fire officials said.

Quijada said he made an educated guess to allow fire crews just five minutes to attack the fire from the inside the structure. Based on studies, a trussed roof will collapse in as little as 4 and as many as 12 minutes, the battalion chief said.

“I am confident in what we do. We risk a lot to save a life and we risk a little to save savable property — but we risk nothing to save nothing,” Quijada said. The battalion gave his crews a safe amount of time to save the property but said he could tell the roof was more than likely going to go.

Quijada had the fire crews evacuate the residence and within two minutes of being cleared, the roof fell in, he said.

A 10-15 mph south wind was blowing embers onto the rooftops of nearby residences.

“We were wetting down some homes … it was a concern for quite a while,” Quijada said.

There were no reports of injuries among firefighters or occupants during the incident. One resident of a nearby home was treated and transported to the hospital for smoke inhalation and difficulty breathing.

Lake Havasu City Fire Department responded with six on-duty fire crews including one engine from Desert Hills Fire Department. It took the crews 120 minutes to put the fire out.

“It was a pretty spectacular fire,” Quijada said.

The firefighters were able to recover a number of valuables from the home once the fire was under control and out, he said.

Ten vehicles including a boat, two jet skis, a full-size pickup, two cars, a motorcycle, a quad and a dirt bike parked inside the garage were a total loss, the battalion chief said.

One Havasu fire department was kept in service for the city during the residential assignment on Snead and was dispatched to a possible fire alarm at Havasu Regional Medical Center, a medical assist on Cup Drive, a stabbing on Acoma, a fully involved vehicle fire on Lost Dutchman, a vehicle into a building on Bluecrest Drive and a smell of natural gas near Marlboro Drive and Paseo Del Sol.

Fire crews remained on scene until 9 a.m. Saturday morning to ensure the fire would not rekindle and to assist with the investigation, Quijada said.

You may contact the reporter at jhanson@havasunews.com.

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Comments (30 comment(s))

    getoverit wrote on Dec 14, 2009 8:39 AM:

    " Aw now now now rat hadit is a busy man, working on top sssshhhhhhhh for the military. lol "

    Desertrat wrote on Dec 11, 2009 11:11 PM:

    " Every post of "had it's" is long, boring and telling everyone how superior she is - and I am known for "pointless drivel?" lol lol Yeah okay. For someone so busy and educated you sure spend a lot of time on a trivial forum. We repeat, if you are so miserable, move on. Because as the other posters have pointed out, Havasu has had it with you. "

    lhcwatchdog wrote on Dec 10, 2009 6:30 PM:

    " Had It With Havasu -

    I have been a firefighter and I was formerly in the U.S. Army. You have not done either job. Time to put up or shut up. All that you can put up is that you work with some people in the military. You pat yourself on the back quite a bit, but you have not done the job.

    You want to claim that the military is all volunteer, and you think the FD should be volunteer. Here's the problem with your logic. The military is considered "an all volunteer force" because there is no draft. People sign up for military service without being forced to. That is the "volunteer" that is referred to. The military is paid for their service. When they are placed in danger, they are paid hazard pay. There is specialty pay for many circumstances that the military faces. Individuals in the military "volunteer" for the jobs that they take on, and they are paid accordingly for the jobs that they do. I am not saying that they are paid adequately, but they agree to do the job for the pay that they are offered. They staff the bases around the world for a weekly paycheck. Now, you want the local FD to be volunteer? By that, you mean an unpaid force that will do the job for free. Big difference. We do not need a volunteer FD. We need a fully staffed professional FD. By your own definition of "volunteer" in relation to the military, that is what we have in the FD. We have people who do a difficult and dangerous job of their own free will. They get paid for the job they do. They have all "volunteered" to be firefighters, and they receive a paycheck every week for the work that they do. The local Police also fit that same definition.
    The question you should be asking is, "Who is more professional? A volunteer Fire Department or a professional Fire Department? I think the answer is clear.

    Your statements about construction are also interesting. The reason why everybody didn't drop everything and start building houses the way you want them to is basic economics. Most firefighters know the dangers of light-weight construction. Problem is that is acceptable by the building codes of the United States. Because of that, the consumer has the right to build a big cheap and somewhat unsafe house instead of a smaller, more expensive and relatively safe house. It has nothing to do with the arrogance or ignorance of the firefighters, but that doesn't suit your hateful comments. You're just another poser and sexual intellectual.

    Let's see, you hate the Fire Department, the Police Department, the United States building codes, and you've HAD IT WITH HAVASU. Well, we've had it with you. Take all of your hate and move on. Go north or south, but just go. "

    getoverit wrote on Dec 10, 2009 2:42 PM:

    " haditwithhavasu take another sleeping pill go back to your dreams. You are so very wrong about police and firefighters not having to decide if someone dies or not. So if your house catches on fire you be sure to pick up that red phone of yours and call the army to put it out. Again good job LHCFD and PD. "

    LHCFF13 wrote on Dec 10, 2009 10:44 AM:

    " HAD IT WITH HAVASU:
    I really don't think you are telling the truth. If you are doing what you say you are doing, then, why would you post that on a forum? Also, if that is what you are doing. Then, why do you spend so much time on this forum?

    As far as fire and police making the choice to kill...You are absolutely wrong!
    Police officers kill people in this country daily...And guess what? It is usually to save the lives of other people, and to minimize the casualty rate at a incident. Ever heard of SWAT sharp shooters?
    Then, there are firefighters. Ever heard of START triage? Look it up on the web. It will explain everything to you...

    I was in the military in Saudi and Iraq. So, I have been on both sides. And you are right. They can't be compared. They both have to make difficult decisions about life and death, but they are in different situations. One is not more hostile than the other. I have had a gun pulled on my crew during a routine medical call. One difference is that fire personnel walk into situations like that without weapons, unless they work in the ghetto. Havasu isn't even close to that though.

    Anyway...This article is about a house fire not a IED that blew up a hummer. I don't remember the military showing up to put out the fire??? "

    Had it with Havasu wrote on Dec 10, 2009 9:20 AM:

    " The underlying theme of most posts I make is so simple it eludes you D-rat. I'll cite it clearly for you:

    Learn from mistakes so they are not repeated. Take responsibility. Act with common sense.

    Every mistake made here has already been made somewhere else. That is the point.

    On the other hand, a few here dislike insightful opinion so much that context and content are irrelevant to them. Only the fact that their opinion is different is enough to enrage them against anyone with a realistic viewpoint. A lot like Islam. A lot like Socialism/Marxism.

    Here is your opportunity D-rat. I'm calling you out. Take apart anything I have written in response to this article. Focus on the issues I have brought to bear and respond in a manner which will demonstrate where my thoughts are lacking rather than the intolerant, dismissive and pointless drivel you are known for.

    Good examples can be found in Sarah Palin's Op-Ed pieces in the Washington Post. The latest is titled "Copenhagen's political science" and closes with this statement "The president should boycott Copenhagen". "

    Desertrat wrote on Dec 10, 2009 7:35 AM:

    " An article about a family's tragedy becomes a forum for another one of "had it's" condescending, lecturing anti-LHC, anti-public servant post. Can you get off your soapbox for once and feel some empathy for anyone? A house fire and a family’s tragedy should not be an opportunity for you to shove your ‘better than you, I know what is best’ attitude down people‘s throats. If you hate it here so much, do us all a favor and leave. "

    Had it with Havasu wrote on Dec 9, 2009 9:32 AM:

    " While ultimate sacrifice can be made by anyone regardless of profession or ancestry, the military alone is called upon to make the choice to kill, to destroy human life to save country and mankind.

    This is a choice no fireman will ever be asked to make. No civilian policeman will ever be faced with the decision to use the kind of destructive force the military must to reign in constantly.

    That is one distinction.

    That awesome responsibility placed on the military is beyond comparison. To attempt the placement of civilian fire service and civilian police service to the same level of esteem is like a guy who never served dressing up for his class reunion as a decorated soldier. Please, Military service cannot be compared to anything in civilian life. Military service can be used as a foundation for civilian life, I am both thrilled and privileged to employ ex-military personnel.

    ...and you want to call me un-American because my opinion is different than yours? Because I make a distinction between civilian heroism and Military heroism. That really is a US phenomenon, everyone wants to be a hero to the point that firemen will start fires and police will manufacture evidence and prosecutors will convict innocent people.

    You call me un-American because I feel that our community would be better served overall by a volunteer fire department, because I feel that our fluffy boutique police department could be effectively and more economically replaced with contracted services from the SO?

    From generations before me, to my birth certificate, my schooling, my career and resume you'll find nothing un-American and nothing socialistic.

    To suggest someone would love to "have a talk with me" is foolish and narrow minded. I'm currently consulting on a project nowhere near Havasu, facilitating and expediting the development of technology strictly military in scope and wholly lethal. I was chosen because my contribution dramatically reduces time spent on range bringing the product (single unit cost greater than the Lake Havasu City PD or FD budget) to certification, putting it in the Military arsenal more quickly.

    Reducing costs and saving lives, American lives.

    Just like what many would like to see happen with the Lake Havasu FD and PD.

    How very un-American. "

    getoverit wrote on Dec 8, 2009 11:27 PM:

    " Wow haditwithhavasu I think you are so un-american. So let me get this straight in your mind police officers and firefighters are not as much a hero as our armed forces. So the firefighters/police officers that put their very own lives on the line every day to pull people out of burning buildings, cars, Oh ground zero when the twin towers were hit who was there pulling victims out of he77? Ya see thats the difference between your thinking and everyone elses. Every person who died on 9/11 police/firefighter or civillan was a hero. I had the pleasure of working with a fine deputy who went to Iraq an came home in a flag draped box, he was just as much a hero befor he went to Iraq as he was doing what he died for in Iraq. I dispatch for several volunteer fire departments who just last year during our monsoon season pulled two women out of running washes one made it one didtn't these firefighters get the same training any other firefighter gets. Try hanging out at Mesa Sherdian the first week of sept each year during fire training you just may have the chance to meet hundreds of full and part time and volunteer firefighters that some day your life may depend on. How un-american can you get? I thank God every day for our troops over seas and our troops here in our home land keeping our streets a safer place. "

    JM wrote on Dec 7, 2009 4:19 PM:

    " Who is more professional? Certainly not you. You should be ashamed of the garbage that spews from your mouth. I really hope, for your safety, that your real identity on this little blog is never made public, i could think of many folks that would love to ""have a talk with you". The funniest part about your rants is that you've supposedly "HAD IT WITH HAVASU" and yet you just can't get enough of it.

    Your bee ess is extremely un-american and just pretty much disgusting. So before you try to respond with more of your usual negative banter you might want to take a second glance at your contradictory screen name just to make sure it doesn't reveal your real name, that would suck.

    Oh yeah, almost forgot, an overwhelming majority of those PD and FD folks you love to diss (ever since you got busted a few years ago) are ex-military....... "

    Had it with Havasu wrote on Dec 7, 2009 9:44 AM:

    " You know, getoverit, you precisely identify the root of the issue people have with fire and police services.

    The US Armed Forces, retired, discharged and active are all heroic and some of them are tested to the extreme. Ultimately many give their lives on behalf of those who cannot fight for freedom and basic human rights.

    I believe this is where you are confused.

    Police and fire service in no way compares to Military service. Firemen especially enjoy the comparison but that comparison is self-serving and pathetic, particularly the photo-op flag raising imitation of Iwo Jima at WTC ground zero.

    I understand the camaraderie and team atmosphere within the various and very independent fire departments across the US. Do you know firemen who responded during the riots in LA? Chicago? Watts? Do you know policemen who responded during those events? Talk to them about the comparison you like to make.

    The further we allow police and fire services to travel down the road toward militarization with unabated authority and control, the harder we will have to fight for freedom and basic human rights right here at home. Basic rights as Americans, as citizens of the United States of America.

    Trust me, as much as police and fire services want the association, you do not want fire and police services which are comparable to the US Military.

    Let me ask you this:

    Would a volunteer fire department have accomplished anything less than our expensive, over-staffed and over-reaching fire department during this event? Come to think of it, the US Military is a volunteer force comprised of all kinds of people. Compare that our fire or police departments made up of buddies and chums.

    Ultimately, who is more professional? "

    dubld wrote on Dec 6, 2009 12:21 PM:

    " carriem29 & CourtneyLHC....you're idiots. Insurance fraud doesn't automatically mean it was arson.
    $800,000 seems a bit much for losses.
    Unless those vehicles were brand-new & the home construction of high quality(obviously it wasn't) then maybe I could believe close to that amount.
    Your reaction to my comment obviously was based on your feeble attempt to deduce my thoughts on a few words...I have sympathy for these people but this is a blog where free speech reigns. Suck it up you two. "

    getoverit wrote on Dec 5, 2009 1:49 PM:

    " lakelizard: I was working that day someone has to answer 911. How rude of you to think police and firefighters are any less of a hero then anyone in the armed forces. My father was in WWII he crossed the panama canal does that make him more or less of a hero then his father the chief of police at that time? These firemen/women and police officrs are willing to put their lives on the line to save your life or anyone elses that may need saving. You just remember that if ever you find your self in the middle of an armed robbery or a burning building. "

    lhcff13 wrote on Dec 4, 2009 2:12 PM:

    " LakeLizard...
    I was working on 9/11 this year in Havasu. The heros you speak of were in the right place at the wrong time. God forbid it ever happens again anywhere. All military, police, and Fire personnel are willing to risk their lives for this very same reason. Or they wouldn't be doing the job...I thank God everyday that I have never been put in that kind of horrific situation.

    I served in the US military in Saudi Arabia and now I work for the very organization that you seem to bash so often.

    So don't discount people just because they "weren't there" Some of us have jobs to do. "

    LakeLizard wrote on Dec 4, 2009 8:48 AM:

    " Getoverit...do the armed forces not count in your book? That's the problem everyone forgets about the real hero's....where were all of you "community" people on Nov. 11th? It's pitiful how many people werent at that parade. "

    getoverit wrote on Dec 3, 2009 11:46 PM:

    " lakelizard and gatekeeper:I hope someday you don't need more firemen at your homes then what you seem to think can handle the problem. You DON'T do their job nor do you do the city managers job so stop acting like your special and know it all. These cut backs in our city fire and police department are a very sad thing to see happening, even sadder to see it happening all over our country. This town needs to be thankful we have good men/women on our fire department and police department willing to save your you know what when the time comes. "

    getoverit wrote on Dec 3, 2009 7:21 PM:

    " Good job LHCFD thank you for everything you do. As a 911 dispatcher I know I am more then greatful once you guys or rmi gets on scene and I can get off the phone. Shame on you FD bashers, not sure what you think you know since you don't do the work they do, and even if you once did times have changed get over it. It takes a special type of person to be a firefighter or police officer either you got what it takes to deal with ugly things or you don't. I only have to picture the ugly in my mind as I send you guys out. I raise my glass to you all for what you do. "

    LH Fire wife wrote on Dec 3, 2009 4:44 PM:

    " Lake Lizard your arrogance and ignorance is obvious. Lay off the bottle before you start to type them just maybe we can have a rational discussion. "

    courtneylhc wrote on Dec 3, 2009 1:46 PM:

    " I have a video of it for about 3 mins on my cell phone. It was huge. "

    LakeLizard wrote on Dec 3, 2009 9:28 AM:

    " OF course they werernt the good ol' boys network, uses the local firemen union to wash their money...dont be ridiculous people "

    R2sweet99 wrote on Dec 3, 2009 3:56 AM:

    " no pictures?? was a camer crew not rushing to the scene? "

    Had it with Havasu wrote on Dec 2, 2009 9:38 AM:

    " When I first moved here it was clear that the building department along with building contractors and the fire department were both ignorant and arrogant about their ignorance regarding fire resistant construction technologies.

    The way this fire spread is the result of that ignorance.

    Utilizing 1 hour construction along with draft stops would have contained this fire and likely prevented it from ever gaining any momentum. The costs involved in this type of construction is minimal, on the order of a few hundred dollars in a home this size.

    20 years ago I had this discussion with building inspectors who knew little about construction, with firemen who were also building contractors, with building contractors and sub-contractors who were concerned with only 1 thing, the greatest margin of profit.

    Now we pay the price for that ignorance and arrogance and I am beyond astonished and very thankful that no one was injured. The really sad part is that now they'll use this ignorance as a platform to call for fire sprinklers in all new construction and probably make you install them if you remodel. Granted, that would have helped in this case but the fire resistant construction would have done more than the fire sprinklers in this case. In many places, if you conform to fire rated construction technologies, the requirements for fire sprinklers are circumvented.

    If you own a big home with a big garage, do yourself a favor and place draftstops in the attic spaces and self closing fire rated doors in the garage and attic accesses. Any exterior ceilings should be rated 1 hour and all supporting members, structures and walls rated as well. It's a lot simpler than you may think. "

    LakeLizard wrote on Dec 2, 2009 9:08 AM:

    " I agree with gatekeeper, but hey at least we know the honest number they need to keep us safe...let's hope the manger slashes all depts. by another 40%. Since when the census comes out there will probably 15k people gone from the last one. "

    CourtneyLHC wrote on Dec 2, 2009 7:01 AM:

    " I happened to drive by this fire that night/early morning and let me tell you it was huge, they aren't exaggerating about the embers falling from the sky either! I do also have to say to 'dubld', to just jump the gun and accuse these people of insurance fraud is ridiculous.. So you think they purposely left their cat and left EVERYTHING they own inside of their house? If it was insurance fraud they would have probably atleast saved one of their vehicles or maybe not have been in the house while it was burning (since a citizen going by is the one that alerted the people in the house). That's just rude and disrespectful to accuse someone of that, thank god no one died and no other houses caught fire! "

    carriem29 wrote on Dec 2, 2009 6:25 AM:

    " dubld - GEEZ! Have a little bit of decency, just because this house is likely nicer than yours, doesnt mean they intentionally lit it on fire, WITH all of their valuables and not to mention the family CAT inside. Give me a break, accidents do happen, not EVERYONE is out to work the system. This family lost a lot of things, dont be a jerk, have a little bit of sympathy! "

    coyote073 wrote on Dec 1, 2009 8:39 PM:

    " LakeLizard,

    Firefighters were not the cause of this problem. They were there to eliminate the problem in a safe manner. Nothing in their oath of office states they should put their life on the line for property that insurance will replace. They are working hard for you and the community. You should be grateful. "

    dubld wrote on Dec 1, 2009 5:52 PM:

    " Sounds like insurance fraud to me... "

    gatekeeper wrote on Dec 1, 2009 1:51 PM:

    " I demand a reprint. This cant be right. These are made up calls which never happpened. Afterall, why on the Lords green Earth would the City have eliminated so many fire / Police posistions if just the highlights, of a couple hours of public safety calls here in LHC look like this: One Havasu fire department was kept in service for the city during the residential assignment on Snead and was dispatched to a possible fire alarm at Havasu Regional Medical Center, a medical assist on Cup Drive, a stabbing on Acoma, a fully involved vehicle fire on Lost Dutchman, a vehicle into a building on Bluecrest Drive and a smell of natural gas near Marlboro Drive and Paseo Del Sol. - Surely they arnt that ignorant? "

    lhcff13 wrote on Dec 1, 2009 12:22 PM:

    " LakeLizard...
    You are part of the LGBT Community aren't you? Nothing but negativity. You shouldn't kick the dog before you know you will never need it. "

    LakeLizard wrote on Dec 1, 2009 8:50 AM:

    " Get Quijada and company(S) extra special brownie buttons for doing there jobs c'mon yayyyy!!!


    *barf*

    Ron Paul Rloveution "

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