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Daytona Middle School could close doors next fall

By JACKIE LEATHERMAN
Today's News-Herald
Published Wednesday, December 2, 2009 7:07 AM MST

Daytona Middle School could be closing its doors next fall forcing its estimated 500 students into area elementary schools and the district’s only other middle school, Thunderbolt.


“We don’t want to hurt kids anymore than we absolutely have to,” said Lake Havasu Unified School District Superintendent Gail Malay during a special governing board meeting Tuesday.

A “perfect storm” within Lake Havasu’s school finances is pushing governing board members to make some tough financial decisions, which include school closings, teacher reductions, and potentially salary reductions.

The most financially devastating to the district is when voters did not approve two budget override questions in early November, which essentially would have extended property taxes for the schools that voters approved in 2005.

Over the next three years, the board must phase out that 2005-approved funding it has been collecting. The first cut, by state law, must come next fall and will equal $1.2 million.

In addition, school officials said they face a declining student enrollment, which could mean $500,000 less next year in state funding, according to their estimations.

Top school officials could not provide exact student counts Tuesday and don’t expect to know the final student count approved by the Arizona Department of Education until well after the first of the year. The ADE funds schools based primarily on the number of pupils enrolled.

The last piece to the financial puzzle is the state legislature’s inability to approve a budget. School officials are still waiting to hear what their final current budget is and what changes – if any — are coming. Usually, school officials know what their budgets are by now.

On top of that, school officials are having a hard time financially planning for next year, when they don’t know what decisions state legislators will make to bail themselves out of an estimated $4 billion deficit for coming fiscal year.

With all of those pieces falling into perfect place, school district officials must find a way to cut the costs, they said.

Closing Daytona would save the district $800,000 in administrative costs, custodial costs and utility bills, according to their calculations.

If the board votes to close the school, this year’s fifth graders — next year’s sixth graders — district wide would potentially remain at their elementary schools for sixth grade.

Malay said there is enough room at the elementary schools to accommodate the additional grades, with her one worry about space at Smoketree Elementary School. She said if the district heads that route, they would try their best to keep all fifth grade students at their same schools for sixth grade.

Sixth grade teachers from Daytona would be dispatched throughout the district to teach.

Thunderbolt Middle School would then just house seventh and eighth graders.

Malay said Daytona Middle School would just sit dark unless the district could lease the property.

A message left for the Daytona Middle School principal was not returned Tuesday afternoon.

But to make up the remaining $900,000 in cuts, district officials are proposing to cut two school nurses, to eliminate coach stipends, to cut one support staff from each school site, and to eliminate one teacher from each school site, and to ask each district employee to take two days of unpaid leave.

And that could just be the first phase of financial cuts.

Two other proposed future phases include closing an elementary school, salary reductions, further staff reductions, and eliminating elective classes.

Governing board members agreed Tuesday to make decisions soon in order to prepare for any coming changes.

“I’m not proud to a certain degree that our community has chosen this path,” said governing board member Ross Hobday. “There is really no place to go. It’s kind of a slap in the face to a certain degree that we have to do this, but we don’t have a choice. … This was the hand that was dealt to us.”

The governing board will vote at 6 p.m. on Dec. 8 on preliminary considerations that could cut $1.7 million from next year’s budget. The board meets in Building C in the district office at 2200 Havasupai Blvd.

You may contact the reporter at jleatherman@havasunews.com

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Comments (65 comment(s))

    emma wrote on Dec 28, 2009 10:08 PM:

    " I think the school district is way too top heavy with so-called "directors". I say cut it back to a Supt. and a finance director. There is really no need for an associate supt. or a Educational services director. Someone needs to follow these people around for a week and see just what it is they do all day. I'll bet they don't do a whole lot to earn their salaries. If some of the district office jobs were eliminated, we would save money and it wouldn't have a negative impact on the kids at all. School nurses and teachers should be the LAST people to go. "

    2teach4ever wrote on Dec 12, 2009 11:12 PM:

    " Wow! I cannot believe Daytona would close its doors. My daughter loved that school. It is tough being a teacher in Havasu. Good luck, Daytona! I am rooting for you. Thunderbolt is too large to get individual attention from many teachers, that said, a primary reason Daytona is unique is because it is smaller and students are recognized by the principal and all teachers. Lastly, Thunderbolt does LOOK LIKE A PINK PRISON! "

    riverruner wrote on Dec 10, 2009 2:52 PM:

    " arizona007, How true. The role of the superintendent has becomes so political no superintendent can be successful unless politically involved especially in a state where public institutions in general and public education in particular is disliked/distrusted. There is also the challenge of indifferent if not hostile legislators and press.
    As to pay, I’ll bet her district salary would be a whole lot more is she was male. "

    ttracy wrote on Dec 10, 2009 11:35 AM:

    " Maybe Sam should take some of his own advice and stick to what he knows. Guns! "

    arizona007 wrote on Dec 9, 2009 7:04 PM:

    " Regarding Mr. Scarmardo's comment that the school superintendent should stay out of politics: I think that nowadays, any school superintendent who did not involve themselves in politics as an advocate for their clientele (students) would be considered a bad superintendent, and any available funding or programs would go to the district's whose superintendents were involved. "

    Havasu Student wrote on Dec 9, 2009 2:09 PM:

    " How much would a person have to pay if the override did pass?

    Sorry that I reposted this, but on my screen it looks like it got deleted. "

    sam scarmardo wrote on Dec 9, 2009 7:28 AM:

    " I think it time for the grossly over paid Superintendent to go, Frankly, I resent being 'threatened' with the closure of a school because we BAD voters and taxpayers rejected the overrides. If Gail Malay would stay out of politics and concentrate on educating the children then we would be betters served. She is no more qualified for that position than any of the other five or six, rotating pool of chosen directors/supers/kahunas that rotate from one tax paid directorship to another. If she is so dedicated lets see some salary cuts in her arena. "

    riverruner wrote on Dec 8, 2009 8:50 AM:

    " Third Eye
    I know someone who could answer your questions regarding interventionists and coaches. As to that $20,000 teacher, know something of that one and all I can say is you can teach technique and content, but you can't teach judgment and common sense. I agree with what I think you are saying about all the good things going on in schools every day. As for comparisons, districts are forced into this by federal and state education policy. That is one of the unfortunate but unavoidable truths of education today…also please consider this-any institution should have an objective measure of performance and while comparisons are an imperfect measure they are understandable…just like the norm referenced test which compares a student to a national norm. "

    LHCMOM wrote on Dec 8, 2009 8:41 AM:

    " BrightOne...I would help pay for the ticket to send Leslie to Mars. Must be nice to have parents who could afford to pay for a PRIVATE SCHOOL! I still say we should all help Leslie pack up and move to a retirement community! We don't need his/her kind in our town! "

    Third Eye wrote on Dec 7, 2009 4:26 PM:

    " Doglover,

    You can go to the district website and see the salaries of all employees of the district. Just go into the Human Resources area and you can see the info. Its public knowledge. What isn't are the Superintendent and Assistant Superintendent. "

    MovieGal wrote on Dec 7, 2009 11:06 AM:

    " Third Eye - I think you ask some very valuable questions. Here are my thoughts on some of those questions. Yes, we have a fantastic library in town, but we have a closed campus so high school kids cannot access it during the day. In compromise do we need a full time librarian? Perhaps changing the hours of the library can save on staff costs as well as utilities.

    Do we need to provide high school sports? No, however a lot of the money spent on sports comes from tax credit money, not M&O. The exception is of course for coach stipends. I believe those stipends should be lowered or arranged to be paid out of tax credit, if possible. If this is not possible then perhaps we do need to discontinue the sporting program for a while, though I would be sad to see that. My question though is this; the parents pay a large chunk of money for their kids to participate in sports, you have to pay to go see games, there is tax credit donations. Where exactly is all this money going. Give us the break down on travel costs, equipment costs and coaching costs?

    As for school lunches we ABSOLUTELY need this program. There are many homeless and free/reduced children who need this food. For some these are the only meals that they receive in a day. I cannot explain why some families are in the position that they are in, I will not judge, but I do know that the lunch program provides a HUGE benefit to those kids who use it. You can not educate a child who is sitting in class with their stomach growling. I would give up so much more before I would ever consider giving up the lunch program. These children can't help the situation their families are in, so lets not punish them by taking away their food. Please reconsider this proposal.

    A classroom interventionist I am unsure about. From what I understand is that they assist students who are having a hard time with certain subjects. If this is true I do think they are needed. There are so many struggling students and because of overcrowding and all the teaching requirements they don't get as much one on one attention that they need from their teachers. We could however, utilize these people in the best way possible though.

    Does the district need Academic coaches? Since one is a relative to administration whether we need them or not they will not be going any where.

    Does the district require administrative training? This is interesting that they have a paid professional development staff member and the proper training is not being given and it costs the district that much money. Yes, something is very wrong here.

    I agree that we do not need to compete with other districts. We are our own unique entity with our own unique issues. Perhaps instead of worrying about how other schools do it, we just set our standards and make sure the bar is high. Look less at others and look at yourselves. It does not matter how much administrators in other districts get paid, or how many interventionists they have. It only matters what is happening in LHUSD. "

    Third Eye wrote on Dec 7, 2009 9:33 AM:

    " Are we required to compare our district to other districts?

    Do we have to provide a librarian at the high school? We have a fantastic library right here in Lake Havasu that we already support with our tax dollars. Honestly we make the students look up all their information on the internet anyway.

    Do we need to provide high school sports? No, we have a fantastic support system in place with Pop Warner. If interested parents look into it I am sure it can be modified to fit any sport.

    Do we need school lunches or a lunch program? While there are many needy students here in this district and for some it is there only good meal we are not obligated to provide it. Parents are responsible for lunches. Send your kids to school with lunch. The school can provide the time to eat it.

    Does the district require classroom interventionists? I am not sure what these people do. In my experience I have never seen one. Who are they and what is their job?

    Does the district require Academic Coaches? As a former teacher I felt I was a better teacher and leader than the person chosen to fill this position.

    Does the district require administrative training? In one case as reported by this newspaper a teacher was let go with a $20000 settlement due to the fact that he was not counselled correctly and had a lawsuit that could have come back to haunt them. Had they been trained correctly we as the taxpayer could have avoided a $20k bill.

    While these are some of the negatives there are many more positives provided by parents and teachers everyday. We don't report on them but we do expect them. We don't talk about the teacher who inspires the student to go to college or the support staff that takes care of the Downs Syndrome student, but we expect them to be at work, day in day out. WE should find ways to support the TEACHING and SUPPORT staff. If we lose one without looking at every option then we lose overall, and that means the students lose. Who says we have to be like everyone else? "

    BrightOne wrote on Dec 7, 2009 8:43 AM:

    " AHHH, glad to see Leslie is still around with her 'ME ME ME' mentality. I say take away all of leslie's property taxes and let her drive on unpaved roads in her horse and buggy. He!! She can be like that old John Travolta movie 'The Boy in the Bubble', away from life as we know it. Any chance we can ship her to Mars? "

    doglover wrote on Dec 6, 2009 10:08 PM:

    " Would still like to know what the school district administrators are paid and if they are included in those "salary reductions" -- "

    Leslie wrote on Dec 6, 2009 5:35 AM:

    " If the school closes should we expect to see a decrease on our property taxes? "

    hava-NY-er wrote on Dec 5, 2009 7:44 PM:

    " Marykath - good comment. I have had two daughters go through Thunderbolt and another one in the 7th grade there. All three have done and are doing great in the school system because they care about their education as do their parents (me and their mother). Anyone that writes on here complaining about the "pink prison" is just getting false stories from their children that don't care about their education and are doing poorly (mainly because of the support or lack of support they receive at home). Congrats on you and your child's excellent attitude towards their own education. All starts at home. "

    kate_the_valkyrie wrote on Dec 5, 2009 1:43 PM:

    " To fellow posters: Where are you tax refundable donations for these kids? Where are the fund raisers, the car washes, the choices to give these kids a chance? Where is your agenda on Tuesday afternoon? Its to go to this city-school board meeting, where they will decide to shut the school down. How do you prevent this? Become active in your city politics. Vote. And be sure you know what you are voting for. Be sure you know whom you are voting for. You all make me very angry. "

    katspur wrote on Dec 5, 2009 9:10 AM:

    " Do any of you realize that this is not a City School District? this is a District that is run by the State. The State, and Federal Grovernment dictates what is required not the City of Lake Havasu. If you are un happy with how much is spent contact your Congressman/Senator. The Adminstrator's at the District office can only go by the mandated rule's by the state, and feds. Stop blaming them from doing there jobs. Seems like no one ever gets involved with the School District until a overide comes up, and you all become experts in something you have no clue about which shows in your responses on this site. Blame yourself if this school does close, but don't blame the people in the District as they are only doing what the State, and Feds let them do. "

    WATCHING HAVASU DIE wrote on Dec 5, 2009 1:02 AM:

    " If enrollment is down by all means close a school,As for coaches let the parents coach,,Sports are not education if you want your kid to play football buy his equipment and get yourself a sweat suit and go for it, Either way it would involve parenting that every child needs and I really dont care if they know how to play sports I would rather see them know how to read and write,,Hey what if every students parent had to pay a surcharge,kinda like the people that use the launch ramp pay for the launch ramp? "

    johnjay wrote on Dec 4, 2009 5:41 PM:

    " riverruner,

    I value many a public service. The problem is you would tax people if you could, to the point they would lose their homes. The public officials never ask I wonder if the taxpayer can afford this, they just go after the maximum revenue they can possible get and if you can't pay it too bad, you're on the street. That's why people are fighting you, and that's why your override went down in defeat, the taxpayer fought back. "

    resident wrote on Dec 4, 2009 1:06 PM:

    " riverruner, since you appear well informed in the school realm, how does our per pupil spending compare against other districts in the country? "

    riverruner wrote on Dec 4, 2009 12:11 PM:

    " Roco
    So which perks should they give up? Sports, music, art, full day kindergarten, school nurses, academic coaches, classroom interventionists, library, lunch, teacher training, benchmark assessments... I know fire all the administrators and the district can simply lead itself.
    In my opinion, which by the way is widely shared around the state, this district has done a great job with limited resources. But of course those people around the state who recognize the job LHUSD does are simply other educators and we all know they are a bunch of whiners who simply love to waste taxpayer money. If the tone of this is irritating, misinformed, and way too general it simply mirrors the attitude of people who think the district staffed by losers and led by fools. "

    riverruner wrote on Dec 4, 2009 9:54 AM:

    " John Jay
    Is there ANY public function you do value? I'm not being cute but I am curious. "

    Roco wrote on Dec 4, 2009 8:59 AM:

    " To JohnJay: My property taxes increased also. They have increased over the past four years, but has increased more this last year along with my property value dropping. It is strange that in this Republican stronghold, people act like more taxes is a great thing.

    To havasu_liberal: The biggest problem is the school boards wants both sides of the coin - they want the overrides and they want to keep spending. They do not want to make the hard decisions of giving up some of the perks. The economy is in the crapper and everyone has to make a lot of unwanted sacrifices. The school board needs to do the right thing and make those "unwanted sacrifices". "

    JohnJay wrote on Dec 4, 2009 8:07 AM:

    " Thanks havasu_liberal. Always good to have a watchdog when dealing with bureaucrats.

    By the way lifer. I noticed you conveniently forgot to mention the "State School Tax Equalization" increase this year. Is that why you used this line "Any increases would come as a result of other new levies, which I don't think there were".

    Taken from the Arizona Education Association.

    "Since the state equalization property tax rate was set at zero for the 2006, 2007 and 2008 tax years, the state has lost the following in tax revenue collections for this tax: $215.2 million in 2006, approximately $230 million in 2007, and an estimated loss of $250 million in tax year 2008. If this tax had not been repealed for these three tax years, we would have that much more to bargain with the Legislature when it comes to increased education funding. This directly affects our member’s take home pay and the services we offer to our students."

    Guess what everyone it was repealed, more property taxes for everyone. The property owner always takes it in the shorts. And to top it all off they want the override also. "

    Gingermartin wrote on Dec 4, 2009 7:09 AM:

    " It seems there is a belief out there that all teachers will remain employed after closing Daytona. I ask you, how will $800,000.00 be saved if all teachers remain employed? Especially the exploratory teachers (music, art, P.E.,computers, foreign language)will most likely find their jobs terminated.How about that whole new "school district" called JTED?? That will cost quite a bit, hey?? "

    havasu_liberal wrote on Dec 3, 2009 9:47 PM:

    " Riverruner- According to documents filed by the school district with the state Department of Education, the total budget for this school year is $32.5 million. A reduction of $1.8 million is 5.5%. This is less than any state department has had to suffer over the same period. DES for example has had an almost 25% cut and expects 15% more. Sounds like the schools are really doing a lot better than most in this economy.

    Anyway, back to the budget. The District is claiming a budget carry forward of $790,000. Using that will take the deficit down to just over $1 million. There is unrestricted capital of $2.6 million but budgeted unrestricted capital expenses of $1.5 million leaving a surplus of $1.1 million. We have the deficit covered right here with a bit to spare.

    The first thing to cut are the expensive consulting contracts the district has with entities like West-Ed which is based in San Francisco. This contract is reportedly in the $400,000 range and, although the district holds that this money is from a grant or from money left over from the "foundation," it can be diverted after some public board action.

    With other cuts- restricting travel, eliminating conferences, reducing or eliminating district-provided cell phones, energy audits of all buildings, etc.- up to another $100,000 could be saved.

    Now the district has actually made $500,000. No schools have been closed, no teachers laid off, no programs cut. "

    johnjay wrote on Dec 3, 2009 8:29 PM:

    " lifer,
    Here is the of things I have to pay for on my property tax bill.

    Mohave County
    State School Tax Equalization
    Lake Havasu City
    Lake Havasu USD #1
    Mohave Community College
    Fire District Assist Fund
    Mohave County Library District
    Mohave County Flood Control District
    Lake Havasu Irr and Drainage
    Mo Co TV CID
    Western Arizona Vocation ED Dist
    SD#1 Budget Override
    SD#1 Class A Bonds

    How many more lines in your opinion do we need to add. And yes my property taxes did go up even though my property value went down. "

    kate_the_valkyrie wrote on Dec 3, 2009 8:00 PM:

    " People, if you care enough to complain on here and give your advice, care enough to show up to this meeting next tuesday, December 8th. Here is the website that will show you the "agenda" for this meeting, the adress of where the meeting will take place, and the time you will need to be there... We need to know what we are doing before shouting out possible sollutions. Make educated decisions please. I myself only went to Daytona school 10 years ago. Here again, is the website you all need(please take out the spaces): h t t p : / / w w w . h a v a s u . k 1 2 . a z . u s / s t a f f / a g e n d a . p d f "

    lifer wrote on Dec 3, 2009 5:27 PM:

    " johnjay, You can be sick of "pots" all you want, but all those things you complained about show you don't know what you're talking about. Those things you all mentioned, those are CITY issue. Not one red cent goes from the city to schools. The city's tax revenue comes mostly from sales tax. Property tax, again, assessed and collected by the county, is then given to the state, who gives the money to the school districts. "

    azgirl28 wrote on Dec 3, 2009 5:25 PM:

    " The current high school principal helped start Telesis Preparatory Academy, which was originally a private school, but is now a charter school. She did not help start THE charter school, as there is more than one charter school in Lake Havasu. In fact, there were three charter schools in Lake Havasu until the end of May 2008 when Desert Technology closed due to declining enrollment and finacial problems (a problem obviously not limited to LHUSD because of a failed override). Now Lake Havasu has Telesis and Lake Havasu Charter School, neither of which received any money from the overrides passed three years ago. Furthermore, charter schools receive less funding per pupil, yet the two charter schools left in LHC seem to be doing fine and are not having financial problems. Why is that? Perhaps because they have frugal management at the top? Maybe the problem at LHUSD is at the top. Unfortunately, the ones who will have to pay the price for mismanagement at the top are the ones at the bottom: the teachers and the students. "

    johnjay wrote on Dec 3, 2009 1:04 PM:

    " Ok everyone, lifer says your property tax bill didn't go up this year.

    and riverruner says we don't know what were talking about, but I need you to cut a check.

    I'm absolutely amazed at the audacity of these public employees who think they have some divine right to take other peoples hard earned money.

    One more thing, everyone is really tired of the whole "pots" thing, oh this money is separate from that money. That bunch of BS is getting really old. We have dog parks, bomb squads, 1/2 billion sewers, public funded airports with no commercial flights, remodeled tracks, $200,000 for fired city managers, on and on and on, but no money to run a school. Anyone getting tired of all this. "

    lifer wrote on Dec 3, 2009 9:45 AM:

    " johnjay: Actually, your tax bill would NOT have gone up if the overrides had passed. The vote was to keep the overrides that were already in place, meaning your bill would have stayed the same.
    Any increases would come as a result of other new levies, which I don't think there were, or if the county had assessed your property at a higher level than it had been in the past, which again, I don't think would happen considering the falling values. "

    riverruner wrote on Dec 3, 2009 9:03 AM:

    " havasu_liberal So where would you find the 1.8 million dollars the district needs for next year? That's IF the state does not take any more district funds this year which the district will not know about until the spring if they are lucky and then there will be the addition state reductions to the district next year on top of that. And don't forget the 2.4 million reductions over the following 2 years from the loss of the override. The community may be lucky if only one school gets closed. So how many staff do you want to see fired next year to save Daytona? What will hurt children would be the staff reductions the district would have to make to find the savings from closing Daytona. You could fire every administrator in the district and not come close to the figure needed. It is my understanding that every teacher at Daytona will have a job and all the 7th and 8th graders will still be bussed as before only to Thunderbolt. Like it or not someone has to pay for public education and clearly the state is unable and/or unwilling and if the community chooses not to; the closing of one school will be nothing like what is to come. "

    riverruner wrote on Dec 3, 2009 8:46 AM:

    " John jay, where do you get your facts? I suppose you can name those evil administrators taking home $200,000 a year? I wonder if you have ever been in a leadership position...also if you look at your tax bill you will see the % going to schools actually dropped as the override amount is tied directly to the school budget...you know the one you appear take such delight in seeing reduced.
    Lifer you make a very good point about the track… I’d like to see some of the misinformed try to build their family budget when they were told they could only spend their paychecks for certain things which were decided by others and the amount of that check went down every year, and people who knew very little about their situation consistently second guessed them. Oh well choosing to remain misinformed is an easy solution to so many things. Seems anyone who ever went to school is an educational expert. "

    johnjay wrote on Dec 3, 2009 8:31 AM:

    " dontclosedaytona,

    I really feel for you. You unfortunately are getting a real world lesson about economics and socialism. Your adult leaders put creation of government bureaucracy ahead of free enterprise and the health of the business community, this closure is one of the consequences. I can assure you Ms. Malay will be just fine although she may put up some larger walls around her estate, the school on the other hand will probably end up a victim of this struggle between political ideals. Perhaps when you are old enough to vote, you will remember this lesson and choose your leaders with more thought and diligence than what the current voters have. "

    johnjay wrote on Dec 3, 2009 7:27 AM:

    " lifer, are you trying to tell us that, we would not have seen any increase in our property tax if this resolution had passed. Further, failure to pass the resolution only redirected funds that were to go to local Havasu schools back to the state, and subsequently will now be dispersed to other districts. Is this your position? Careful with your answer, it's a setup "

    dabeav3 wrote on Dec 3, 2009 3:56 AM:

    " If I'm not mistaken, schools are for education. I see vast amounts of money being spent for all levels of sports that are nice but certainly not essential. When times are tough we all give up the extras in life with sports being one of them. We have PE in schools so kids will get there exercise. Get rid of sports and see what the amount of money that will be saved. "

    lifer wrote on Dec 2, 2009 11:20 PM:

    " former teacher:
    As a former teacher, I would assume you knew that the money to fix the track came from a separate pot of money from the state than the per pupil funding. One pot can not be used for the other area. Facilities money, used on new buildings, maintenance etc. can not be used for per pupil funding. "

    icarehavasu wrote on Dec 2, 2009 10:43 PM:

    " Good job LHCMOM and Wilson! You are both right on! My Husband and I donate $400.00 every year to help our schools! It hurts a little this time of the year but more than makes up for the hurt come April 15th when that amount is subtracted from the amount we owe the state! The deadline to donate is December 31, 2009 for this years tax benefit! You can give the schools whatever amount you choose but only up to $400.00 per married couple ($200.00 for single filers) is what you would get back in April on the state income tax. The school district offices are open during the school break to accept your donation! 505-6917 for more information. Come on Havasu! Lets keep as much of your state income tax here in Havasu! Lets show the other Arizona Cities how to get past this economic nightmare and maybe they will follow suit! "

    havasu_liberal wrote on Dec 2, 2009 10:29 PM:

    " Ms. Malay says she doesn't want to hurt students. But she, as superintendent, chooses the highest visibility cuts that will have the greatest negative impact on the largest number of children.

    Mr. Hobday considers this a "slap in the face." One has to question his recognition of the economic conditions of the nation, the state and the local area.

    But this story reflects the blatant use of children inherent in the district's position. The district didn't get its way, so the kids will be the ones to suffer. And every cut outlined will hurt kids. Closing Daytona Middle School, eliminating stipends for coaches, eliminating one teacher per site and there are others we have not seen. Would the cutting of coaching stipends mean no coaches and no sports?

    And yes, these moves are designed to get the most attention in an attempt to force the voters to approve the overrides. Notice that the district is not talking about cutting any district office positions. Beyond that, they are not talking about eliminating ANY administrative costs at all.

    But here is the real problem... the district has overrides passed and assumes they will keep getting voter approval forever. As we are seeing, they can't. Like any other government agency, the schools will have to refine their mission, pare down to what is absolutely essential and jettison the flab and fluff. THIS HAS TO START AT THE DISTRICT OFFICE.

    All state agencies have suffered devastating cuts. Agencies tasked with protecting the lives of children and adults are at half strength or less in many areas with referrals setting new records every month. City services are strained to the point of fraying. The time has come for the local school district to come into the real world and, like the rest of us, make the best use of what they have. "

    oldone wrote on Dec 2, 2009 10:23 PM:

    " lifer The city helps the schools with their water bill and allocates this money thru the budget. "

    dontclosedaytona wrote on Dec 2, 2009 9:53 PM:

    " I am a student at Daytona Middle School. I can't believe you are closing daytona's doors. I have spent all my middle school years there, and cant stand having to change to thungerbolt. This is absolutely HORRIBLE. Especially the fact that Thunderbolt kids are talking bad about us. They are blaming this whole situation on Daytona. This is going to cause problems in how well we get along. PLEASE DONT CLOSE DAYTONA! I love that school, it has become home to me. Why don't you just close an elementary school, considering that there are already 6 of them. There are only 2 middle schools, and thunderbolt is not big enough to house all of us. There is plenty of room in the 5 other ementary schools that you can close one of the six. JUST, PLEASE, PLEASE DONT CLOSE DAYTONA!! There are way more problems that could be caused by this, but i wont go into too much detail. You understand my point and view on this whole situation. "

    LHCMOM wrote on Dec 2, 2009 8:53 PM:

    " As I commented on the other Daytona article, Havasu residents can give up to $400 (per married couple) to the schools here in town. It gives us a choice as to where we want our tax dollars going. You can go to the district office on Havasupai or to any accountants office to pick up the paper. You will then claim the amount paid on your state income tax return. This will keep money here in Havasu instead of it going into the state coffers for them to spend as they see fit. "

    johnjay wrote on Dec 2, 2009 8:34 PM:

    " riveruner,
    Oh I get it, dollars taken from your check used by the city are different than dollars taken from your check used by the state. That's makes all the difference in the world.

    You got me all wrong, I think we need lots more administrators that we can pay $200,000 to when they're fired for cause. Poor poor administrators, they'll only take a mid six figure income home this year, darn pay freezes. "

    VoiceOfReason wrote on Dec 2, 2009 8:04 PM:

    " Point taken,WytchGirl. Maybe he is using the library...but my experience in this community, with the work I do, would make me bet not. "

    wilson wrote on Dec 2, 2009 7:47 PM:

    " I sound like a broken record, but you cant spend more than you have coming in. Only the federal government can do that which results in watering down all of our dollars.

    Regarding the schools, there is a way to painlessly fund our schools to the tune of $200 per individual and $400 per couple for every Lake Havasu Resident that is also an Arizona resident. YOU CAN GIVE THIS AMOUNT EACH YEAR TO THE AZ SCHOOL OF YOUR CHOICE AND COUNT IT ON YOUR TAX RETURN AS AZ STATE INCOME TAX PAID. IF YOUR STATE INCOME TAX LIABILITY IS AT LEAST THIS AMOUNT, IT COSTS YOU NOTHING. EVERYONE MEETING THIS QUALIFICATION SHOULD BE DOING THIS AND KEEPING OUR TAX MONEY IN LHC INSTEAD OF SENDING IT UP TO THE STATE TO SPEND IT AT THEIR DISCRETION OUTSIDE OF LHC. This is not very well publicized, but should be. Everyone, including the Havasu News Herald should be spreading the word or running front page articles educating residents on this process. 20,000 people doing this would generate $ 4 MILLION DOLLARS FOR OUR SCHOOLS WITH NO INCREASE IN COST TO OUR RESIDENTS !!!!!!!!!!! Call Jackie
    Taylor at Lake Havasu Unified School District ((928)505-6917) for information. "

    formerteacher wrote on Dec 2, 2009 5:48 PM:

    " Several questions: Will there be room for next year's 6th graders and the incoming students in each of the elementary schools? Will the teachers have to "float" from room to room? Why have extra support personnel (work with a skeleton crew)? Why not close the Round Table Program and either reassign the staff or release them? Why not have custodians clean rooms and buildings once a week? Why have a Budget Director (should not the Superintendent handle finance)? Why not let the "double dippers" (those who have retired and drawing a salary and retirement) keep their jobs, but pay them only $1.00 a year? Why spend money on repairing a track (track meets do not make money, they cost)? Why have 4 counselors at the high school (cut back)? Why have 4-5 support personnel in some school offices (cut back)? Why have an Athletic Director (let thye head coaches handle scheduling, etc.)? Why have outside coaches (if they are being paid) in the athletic programs?
    Why have a media program at the high school (eliminate it)? Why not eliminate physical education, but ... (not a favorite suggestion)? Major question: What is going to happen to Daytona Middle School building? Will it remain in its current condition or will it become a target for destructive
    actions? Just asking. "

    lifer wrote on Dec 2, 2009 5:05 PM:

    " commonsense: Here's the issue. The "means" with which we are provided by the state are less than the "means" provided to most other districts. First off, that funding formula is flawed. Second off, if you're fine with the state viewing our kids as somehow worth less than the kids in other districts, and are willing to accept a lesser per pupil spending, then I think you're willing to settle for too little. I, for one, think the kids in Havasu deserve to have at least the same level of funding as kids in other parts of the state, and if that means they have to go back for an override to make up that gap, then fine.

    johnjay: Not one penny for the schools comes from city coffers. The property tax is actually assesed and levied by the county, sent to the state, who then takes our money and combines it into one big pot with the property tax revenue from other counties. That money is then divvied up using a complex yet unfair formula where all districts get a base amount. They then get additional amounts for meeting various criteria, such as proximity to tribal lands, military bases etc. We don't get any of that additional funding, so basically, our money goes to other areas of the state. This override would have kept the additional money raised here. "

    icarehavasu wrote on Dec 2, 2009 4:32 PM:

    " Dear WytchGirl: Your comment on my idea of everyone contributing to a fund to save our schools you said "As far as icare's idea about everyone in LHC giving $50: that was kind of the idea behind the override and that didn't work so I don't think the that idea is very plausible" Did I say contributing was mandatory? Those you want to help promote our schools help! Those who don't want to help our schools don't help! Very simple idea I'd say! I would also like to point out that you could donate what ever you would want! We donate to several causes each year and we are not rich! Why not invest in the future education of all of our children in Havasu!
    We could become a model city for other school districts in Arizona and the nation! What we contribute now for education will pay us back ten-fold in the futures of our children! It's a small price to pay! Yes, I voted for the override and I'm sorry it didn't pass. I hate to see anyone struggle! I'd hate to see this town dry up because teachers are leaving because they can't make it here! They take their families with them and so on and so on! Come on now give me the benefit of the doubt! "

    riverruner wrote on Dec 2, 2009 4:28 PM:

    " I johnjay I don't understand you...if schools don't get funds from the city they don't need tax?? what should they do have car washes and bake sales. And it is a fact that those administrators you so despise have been on a pay freeze for 2 years and will probably be on one for the next 2 or 3. I understand despising leadership, which is what an administrator is, is very popular, but you don’t see people waiting in line to take those damned if you do and more damned if you don’t jobs. "

    WytchGirl wrote on Dec 2, 2009 3:16 PM:

    " Hey Voice: maybe they are using the Internet at the public library where the Internet is free to use. And if they are using the Internet at home, so what? Did you know that most of the teachers, that may loose their jobs or have pay cuts, assign things that use the Internet for the students as homework in their classes? So maybe, in commonsense's own way, s/he is supporting their children that attend school? It's all a matter of perspective.
    I certainly don't wish to see any more students crammed into T-bolt; traffic in the mornings is bad enough (NO ONE can go 15 mph) to simply get to work on time.
    These are hard economic times, there is no doubt about that; so rather than fight with each other, just put your head down, figure out what is important to you, personally, and fight for that while realizing that things that are important to you will not be as important to others.
    As far as icare's idea about everyone in LHC giving $50: that was kind of the idea behind the override and that didn't work so I don't think the that idea is very plausible.
    There is a light at the end of the tunnel. Who knows when it will get here and how far or bright it burns, but it is there. Realize what's important. Buying gifts or teaching your children that family and togetherness is what the Holiday season is about? This is a great teaching opporunity for families to show the "entitled" children that are being raised today that material possessions come and go, but relationships with family and friends are forever and will be cherished long after the material possesions are gone and forgotten.
    And remember, you can't take it with you when you go. A million dollars or a million memories? What's more important to you and your family? "

    johnjay wrote on Dec 2, 2009 2:06 PM:

    " Still haven't seen one bureaucrat or administrator from any of the government agencies come out and say they would reduce the amount of public treasure they are taking. Did you expect the population to just roll over and take it? As for the school district "NOT funded by the city", great then you don't need the property tax. "

    VoiceOfReason wrote on Dec 2, 2009 1:16 PM:

    " Gee, commonsense...you whine that your kids won't have Christmas, yet you have the internet!! They're called "priorities"...check into them. And I just love your first post...it's all about you, isn't it? "to me it makes most sense"..."I'd rather have my child..." bla bla bla. Learn the facts, please, and get over yourself.

    It is really so sad how many of you just DON'T GET IT!!!! To "law"...cut police and fire??? That is a ridiculous idea for 2 reasons...I'll skip the obivous one, and point out (as have many in the past) that the school district is NOT funded by the city, as are the police and fire departments. So much for that idea.

    When are all of you going to stop finger pointing, blaming, and attacking and actually educate yourselves on the truth and reality. I laugh when I read so many of the comments because it is clear that the ones who spew the most negativity are the ones with the least accurate information.

    Lifer....go get em! I know you have more to say, and you know what's what. Sic' em! "

    marykath wrote on Dec 2, 2009 12:46 PM:

    " Just a quick note... My daughter attended all three years at Thunderbolt Junior High and we really loved the school AND the staff. Those three years were surely one of the elements which enabled her to graduate from LHHS in the top ten last May. "

    riverruner wrote on Dec 2, 2009 12:35 PM:

    " Hey Commonsense, your argument makes rhetorical sense, but appears misinformed. First of all this district has no choice but to live within its means, but those means shrink every year and never knows what those means will be for any given year until the next year. Unlike business the district can’t just raise prices or find new markets; it is limited to what the state provides and as that goes down each year the overrides are the best hope the district has of continuing to provide a good education…now perhaps you don’t think they do, but I would offer that is another misinformed opinion.
    I hear this all the time-live with means, but when they keep going down (districts in this state still don’t know what they will have for the rest of THIS year much less next year) it makes it pretty hard to plan. As for BS, seems to me the BS comes from uninformed opinions and forgetting what the district is mandated to do-provide a good education. You may not want to accept this, but a good comprehensive education is not cheap. The real mystery to me is the assumption that everything the district does is either inept or foolish. "

    commonsense wrote on Dec 2, 2009 11:07 AM:

    " Lifer,
    Maybe, like me and the rest of the public, the school district should spend within their means.
    I do not get extra money for living in Havasu, but I meet my budget each month. Whaaaaaa Boo-Hoo The state doesn't give us enough money.
    I call BS because you spend what you have, not what you want.
    My kids will go without Christmas this year because we cannot afford it. I'm not asking the city, state or Obama for any special treatment.
    It's a budget for a reason! It's made so that you DON'T spend beyond what you can afford.
    I also agree that the children are our future, we do need to educate them for the coming world. We need to teach them problem solving skills, not how to beg for a handout. "

    tomgarven wrote on Dec 2, 2009 10:58 AM:

    " There are two ways I could write this post and neither one will be very pretty. One way would be to express my deep concerns about the education of our children [which I am] and the other way would be to focus on how to survive during hard times. I guess it really doesn't matter does it which way I write it because in the end they really are the same thing aren't they?

    In my 60+ years I have lived through some tough times while working in corporate America and yes the last 5 years were in adult education. I have seen my friends get laid-off and companies close their doors. I have even quite one job and moved to another just to make sure I went where the jobs were going to be in the future. I have seen jobs moved overseas and some jobs just eliminated entirely.

    Being a manager, supervisor, director and yes a Principle, Superintendent or Teacher is not an easy job. The decisions these individuals make affect our neighbors, our friends and the individuals who live with us and form the backbone of our community.

    But educational systems are no different than any other business or government entity; and yes they do have a business side. As such, they will grow until there are is no longer any money left to support further growth. You can either believe or disbelieve this statement it really doesn't matter. It is the basis for and the nature of our capitalist society.

    There are some things we can do however to make what is coming less painful for those involved. We can:

    1. Cross train all of the administrative staff.

    2. We can teach everyone what employers are now looking for.

    3. Everyone should have an up to date resume.

    4. Job bank data should be available to everyone on a daily basis, and;

    5. We should make sure that everyone who was credentialed is current.

    These are of course just a few of the hundreds of actions we can take and many are probably already in place.

    What else can we do.

    1. Peer review everyone's resumes to make sure it catches an employers eye.

    2. Look at every job performed in the district and stop doing anything that is not mandated by law.

    3. Assign a critical value to every maintenance and improvement project to ensure only mandatory work gets done until the economy recovers.

    4. Encourage early retirement whenever possible.

    5. And yes this might be the time to spend a few thousand on a business consultant who can help find ways to cost costs and save jobs.

    No one individual can be an expert at everything.

    It is my sincere hope that this is going to be a temporary condition but as a realist I understand it is going to be a painful time for some. The day will come again when everyone is working and jobs are plentiful mark my words. We just need to work together to find ways to survive until that time comes again and it WILL.

    That's my opinion, what's yours?

    tomgarven@hotmail.com "

    lifer wrote on Dec 2, 2009 10:22 AM:

    " Or, commonsense, it could have something to do with the fact that the Havasu district is given less per pupil to spend that most every other district in the state. The other districts, that also receive the minimum, like Havasu does, have overrides to make up differences. "

    StillStanding wrote on Dec 2, 2009 10:20 AM:

    " Knew this would be happening sooner or later. Ms. Malay is seemingly extorting the city because they did not get the over-ride extension. In doing so there appears to be an attempt to set up a ground swell of fear that when they try to foist the over-rides on us again in the next few months then maybe they can get their pound of flesh.

    We are over-burdened with too many administrators and too much benefit structure. Start cleaning there! "

    icarehavasu wrote on Dec 2, 2009 9:55 AM:

    " I think I have a solution to help our school district! Everyone in Havasu donates at least $50.00 or more to a help our schools fund. There are 56,355 citizens in Havasu according to the 2006 Census Bureau of course some of those are children. If 45,000 of those residents donated $50.00 each or more to fund Havasu Schools then the schools would receive about $2,250.000.00 or more. This should be more than enough to meet the budget. Make this donation tax deductible - who knows how much extra money the schools would receive! Who knows what extra programs could be developed! We could be known as the place to be for education! Don't we want our schools to be the best in the US! Have a board of citizens oversee this fund and keep track of all spending! Everyone donates each year (we are willing to donate at least $100.00 each year and our kids are all grown up) until the schools no longer need our help.
    As for the teachers taking two days of unpaid leave! Who's going to take their place? A substitute teacher to replace them gets paid too! If teachers have to take two days unpaid leave than school staff should too. Eliminate nurses, teachers and coaches? Why should our children suffer from these eliminations? If your kid gets sick at school don't you want a nurse on duty and especially with all the bugs going around?
    Closing Daytona? I'm ok with putting the sixth graders back in elementary school. I think that's where they belong anyway! "

    Rosie wrote on Dec 2, 2009 9:09 AM:

    " There is a lot of waste in the schools. I have seen it first hand. Just like the rest of us, the school district will have to cut back without blaming the community.
    It can be done without "hurting" the children. People
    May have to take a pay cut just like the city employees did. "

    law wrote on Dec 2, 2009 8:30 AM:

    " I would cut police and fire before our future. Do you think these kids will have a chance at competing with others in the big world with a good solid basic education.

    My Advice invest our money where it makes a difference. Our Future is with these kids! Our good teachers will start to leave for better places also which is hard to stop when started.
    Think about if we had a school like ASU in Havasu. A solid primary education system. We would have people running to Havasu. Most college towns are great places to live. "

    commonsense wrote on Dec 2, 2009 8:04 AM:

    " Malay is preparing to not hurt students anymore than she has to...
    Was this a freudian slip?
    Once again, bad voters, bad state... never bad school board for spending way past their limits.
    If this has to happen, then to me, it makes most sense to close Smoketree (the smallest campus in the city) and relocate those students to the newer, larger schools.
    Thunderbolt is not large enough to pick up another 500 students. And I'd rather have my child at Daytona where the teachers seems to care about the students - there was a reason that the kids called Thunderbolt the "Pink Prison" "

    comments wrote on Dec 2, 2009 7:52 AM:

    " Its is just terrable what is going on in this City of Lake Havasu..just keeps getting worst by the day here.. "

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