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City, stakeholders work on strategy for Havasu

By NATHAN BRUTTELL
Today's News-Herald
Published Tuesday, January 19, 2010 7:07 AM MST

On one of the cloudiest days of the year, many members of the community were looking at brighter days ahead.


The City Council held its annual retreat Monday at the Aquatic/Community Center. In the morning, the council spoke with each department head to get a clear sense of the status of the city, but in the afternoon, the council held a “visioning session” to formulate a plan for the future of Lake Havasu City.

“We seem to be at a crossroads right now,” Interim City Manager Charlie Cassens said. “Although we’re in a recession we do feel it will come back, and we’re actively preparing for that future.”

The purpose of the session was to envision Lake Havasu City in 20 years and coming up with a strategy and an action plan for the entire community to work toward, Cassens said.

“The goal of the meeting was to begin a process of examining where we want to go as a community,” he said. “It started with the foundation laid by Robert McCulloch. We all agreed that we are experiencing what McCulloch’s goals were and now it’s up to us to take those next steps.”

Mayor Mark Nexsen said the most important goal to him was that the city not become a “one horse” town.

“Yes, we all know tourism is one of our strengths, but I don’t think we can survive on tourism alone,” he said. “If we don’t bring in more jobs and more opportunities, we’re not going to grow to where we want to be.”

While several groups have held different planning meetings in the past, Cassens said having as many stakeholders involved during the discussion could make a big difference.

“Some folks who were there might feel like we didn’t get a lot accomplished, but this kind of strategic planning can take days or weeks or months to finish,” he said. “So, I am really pleased with the progress we made in several hours that would normally take us several days.”

The meeting seemed to hit the right note for several in attendance, including Lake Havasu Hospitality Association Executive Director Greg Tryon.

“I think this was much needed to get the city in unison or on the same page,” he said. “A lot of us are already working together toward the same goals, and there’s a lot we can do but we haven’t had much direction on doing it. We didn’t have enough time (Monday) to finish everything but this could be really great if we keep it moving forward.”

Lake Havasu City Marine Association Executive Director Jim Salscheider agreed.

“I thought the afternoon session was the first sign of leadership I’ve seen from the city in quite a while,” Salscheider said. “With all of the heads of so many volunteer organizations, there’s only so much we can do. We need the city as a partner to actually put this on paper.”

The group also discussed the strengths of the city, which will serve as the backbone of a future plan.

“We know how important the Lake is here,” Salscheider said. “It’s one of our great strengths, and it’s a premiere boating destination in the Western United States. … We have name recognition because of the London Bridge, and we’ve got a great community.”

To go along with the strengths, the group then discussed various weaknesses.

“Our tourist infrastructure needs work. We need to make sure we have a higher quality to offer the tourists that do visit,” Salscheider said. “We also get a lot of negativity, like our education system, that we don’t counter effectively. Our school system is not the worst by a long shot. We have a great school system, and we need to start letting people know about it.”

The group started the foundation for the future of Lake Havasu City Monday, but Cassens said the group would continue the process of developing a strategic plan in additional meetings.

“We got pretty far into the strategic planning process,” Cassens said. “We’re not stopping here. We got some really good feedback, and I think we’re all interested in proceeding with all of the steps from here.”

You can contact the reporter at nbruttell@havasunews.com.

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Comments (92 comment(s))

    northbound wrote on Feb 3, 2010 7:30 PM:

    " I'm with you rat, Time will tell, we shall see. Anyone out there wanna put money down on who will be the first to whine IF we get a new council and new judge? "

    Desertrat wrote on Feb 1, 2010 7:07 AM:

    " cal-we shall see. My prediction is no matter what happens, the same one or two malcontents will post the venom on here. You will always find something else to whine about. Sad but true. "

    O'really wrote on Jan 31, 2010 11:44 PM:

    " You cannot slander when you tell the truth. The truth is an absolute defense. The proble would be for him is that we would not be in his court and he has a horrible record outside his court. "

    O'really wrote on Jan 31, 2010 10:32 PM:

    " Ca;/Hav, have you noticed that those who support the corruption of the police say "a few bad seeds come here from other states get in trouble with the law because they don't know how to abide by the law and there is injustice and corruption in our courts/police department".

    I would think if that statement was true then we would hear the same complaints about the police departments of Parker and BHC and the SBSO and the MCSO and/or the Magistrates of those towns. Yet ONLY LHC has that bad image.

    So how do those who are supporting the corruption of the LHCPD and the corrupt profit seeking City Court explain that?

    The ONLY visitors who are complaining came here. The ONLY city with the bad reputation came here. The only city that has websites, news articles and radio shows talking about how bad it is this one. Hmmmmmmm. "

    cal/hav wrote on Jan 31, 2010 5:55 PM:

    " Want to get rid of Haters? Change the image of Havasu? Get rid of Clyde..... Thing might just turn around. Or if your so happy, skipping around the empty village enjoying life. Just leave things the way they are and just ignore the haters like you ignore the truth. As long as things remain the same so will the postings. Get rid of the problem you get rid of us. "

    northbound wrote on Jan 31, 2010 3:52 PM:

    " I tried telling the same thing getoverit to a couple others it's like talking to a wall. Ya know a few bad seeds come here from other states get in trouble with the law because they don't know how to abide by the law and there is injustice and corruption in our courts/police department. All ya can do is just sit back and laugh at them. "

    oldone wrote on Jan 31, 2010 12:31 PM:

    " o'really as of your statments of the 29th about 11:10PM PROVE it!
    I said I would not comment futher on this section but you have slanderd the Magistrate one too many times. "

    LakeLizard wrote on Jan 31, 2010 10:03 AM:

    " Overit, funny how everyone wants to defend public servants by saying you will be the first to cry when you need them. It's silly to compare surrounding cities. Demographics are different. if your still feeling zealous staff the havasu PD like the surrounding departments and expirement, just make sure you get your pink slip with no severance. "

    getoverit wrote on Jan 31, 2010 6:29 AM:

    " Hahahaha O'really the only proof on any of this is your boring. Yea right you have proof. Yyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyaaaaaawwwwwnnnnnnnnnn "

    o'really wrote on Jan 31, 2010 1:44 AM:

    " Lakelizard, dont worry about that day. You will make the call and they will show up to make a report. Stop crime? no. They are too busy fleecing our tourists with trumped up charges to stop real crime. And I would take that bed Getoverit to compare the area city's to this one's crime rate per capita just as I would be happy to compare how often bail's are overturned by the superior courts of LHC magistrate vs other towns and I would LOVE to compare how often other local magistrates are censured by the state compared to ours.

    The problems of this city can be mostly solved by returning Justice. We do that by getting somebody on the bench who is capable of appearing impartial and has a law degree. "

    getoverit wrote on Jan 30, 2010 7:07 AM:

    " lizard funny when the day comes you will need a cop your cry will be that you didn't get more for your problem. Did it ever occur to you the amount of police we have patroling are keeping down the number of burglaries we could be having. Or even the number of carjackings ect? Lets check the numbers of crimes in LHC compare them to surrounding cities such as Parker,Kingman and good ol Bullhead. "

    o'really wrote on Jan 29, 2010 11:10 PM:

    " Getoverit-Oh I am sure lots of departments have bad officers or at least officers who make bad calls. But in other places they have magistrates who call them on it and correct it thereby ensuring justice. That does not happen here. Here you have the magistrage suborn perjury and sanction poor choices by cops so that the Magistrate can make his court "the most profitable in Arizona" to qoute Clyde. The more you talk, the more my point is proven. "

    LakeLizard wrote on Jan 29, 2010 9:11 PM:

    " Northbound, thanks for proving cal and o'reallys point. Too many police with not enough crime to stay busy, and sitting around doing nothing is bad PR so stick whoever you can when your having a bad day. Have fun living life in a tunnel. "

    Desertrat wrote on Jan 29, 2010 5:15 PM:

    " lizard....blah, blah, blah is right. We shall see, we shall see...the haters will be on here next year, the same time, the same song. blah blah blah blah "

    getoverit wrote on Jan 29, 2010 1:52 PM:

    " o'really why don't you take the bar and become our judge? Blah Blah Blah So just how much are the bonds for F or M charges in BHC? They were not as high here befor Clyde came in to the court house. Who determines how much bond an inmate must pay? "

    getoverit wrote on Jan 29, 2010 1:30 PM:

    " O'really you are asking us to take your word for the officer not showing you the radar gun? I was pulled over myself 2 weeks ago and the officer showed me his reading. I suppose you think this is the only department in the states ever held under fire for perjury too. Which is in your own head. Lizard have you ever checked out how departments operate? Ya all claim ya know so much but none of you can make a phone call or show up in person to inquire on documented records. YYYYYYYYYYYYYYaaaaaaaaaaaawwwwwwwwwwnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnn "

    northbound wrote on Jan 29, 2010 12:14 PM:

    " Haha rat how true, I guess back in those days 4th graders were too young to pay attention of the bike ridding wrongs/rights. "

    o'really wrote on Jan 29, 2010 10:19 AM:

    " So....because the department is required to turn in calibrations to the state we should feel confident they are accurate? Even though we are talking about a department under fire for perjury, even though we are talking about a Magistate who suborns perjury, even though the police wont show you device when he says you committed the crime as they were previously required, we should just be good little subject and remember our jobs as citizens is to serve and protect the civil servants?

    LHCPD has an image problem that they and Clyde created. Dont even attempt to chastise the people who are holding our public servants to task over it.

    Change the image the firing the person who is responsible for it. BONDS have nothing to with PROFIT, if that was the case then BHC City Court would be the most profitable, but they have a Lawyer on the bench who obeys the law and does not support perjury by the police. "

    Calidowns wrote on Jan 29, 2010 10:03 AM:

    " North- I agree, don't waste your breath with your misrepresentations. Your not a dispatcher, I know the dispatchers, why you mischaracterize yourself as one, befuddles us all. "

    LakeLizard wrote on Jan 29, 2010 9:26 AM:

    " Also north I was comparing things, as in a gas station owner shorting his customers until he gets caught...You can buy anybody in authority for the right price, so requirement and actually happening are two different things, look no farther than the Good Ol' Boys club in Havasu, get it through your thick head. "

    LakeLizard wrote on Jan 29, 2010 9:21 AM:

    " Ok, Northbound, forgive a group of ten year olds for commiting the crime of the decade, we were just menaces to society at the time. A Sgt. said something to me in middle school, but he was an alright...pointed the finger, told me dont do it again. Ya know what any decent parent with a badge would do. Drat for someone who doesnt care and is out enjoying life where do you find time to read and post so much on here? "

    Desertrat wrote on Jan 29, 2010 8:29 AM:

    " North-don't waste your breath.The rest of the community enjoy their lives. The haters and complainers will continue to whine and bash because they have nothing better to do and are obviously miserable. The oversatuation of their personal vendetta under every article is to the point that people stopped listening (and reading) a long time ago. Sad but true. "

    northbound wrote on Jan 29, 2010 4:50 AM:

    " lakelizzard maybe way back in the 4th grade you should of learned why you were cited for that. And roll back a few postings read and learn about what LosTacos wrote. Gas stations don't turn their calibration readings into the CA's office.

    And o'really you go ahead and critize and bash our loca department and the court system. Some day you will need our local department I only wish I could hear the thank you for your help. "

    getoverit wrote on Jan 29, 2010 4:41 AM:

    " O'really it doesn't matter how many hours of training an officer attends to calibrate radar guns, nor does it matter how many hours of training an officer atends to become DRE or HGN certified or even to become a phelbotomist or how many hours of training a dispatcher has to have to coach cpr over the phone, some day you and mr smarty pants cal/hav are going to need help and I hope I'm the one on the phone because it would be more then my pleasure to be able to coach cpr to either your or one of your loved ones. I would get the satisfaction of knowing I did my job to the fullest of my trained capability. As northbound stated Clyde mentioned how profitable his court would be and she/he explained why. Why don't you take the time to do a wee bit o research on your own and contact the surrounding agency's and check out the BOND amount on misdemeanor and felony charges. The reason Clydes court makes such a profit has nothing to do with what you two think.

    Then take that trip to the local court houes and inquire, yes that means ask where to find the form with the header (Telephonic or Electronic) court request form then ask what that is for. It was explained earlier I believe as wel as the FACT radar guns
    are mandated to have qas and recals by a certified person on a regular basis just like an intoxilyzer then that documentattion is turned into the CA's office with the individual documented serial numbers. You claim non of us who are in law enforcement know what we are talking about yet you prove yourself over and over along with cal/hav that you are both too stubborn to even make the calls then post what you have found out. Because ya see we that have gone thru the training and we that dedicate ourselves to not only being there to answer that ugly 911 call with one's life now in our hands till the responders get there will know exactly what you will be told when you do some research. You nor cal/hav want to be shamed here on the posts that neither one of you know what your talking about. But that is ok because we don't care that you know squat about what your blabbing about, what matters here is we will always be here for you. "

    LakeLizard wrote on Jan 28, 2010 7:11 PM:

    " Have to agree with cal/hav...Northbound a radar gun may be calibrated, but so is a gas pump until the station gets caught. blah blah blah...speaking of overzealous law enforcment One day way back when in the fourth grade an officer cited myself and 4 other people at starline school for riding our bikes through the cross walk on thistle. Anyone else that went to school out here knows the exact officer I am typing about. "

    o'really wrote on Jan 28, 2010 6:16 PM:

    " Officers will not show you the gun that says how fast he says you were going and the only proof is what the cop says and the only person who has to believe him is the man who was his boss.....Yes that is not a conflict.

    And dont blame me for saying profit. BLAME CLYDE< HE SAID IT>. So we can agree that PROFIT SHOULD NOT be part of Havasu Justice but it is according to the magistrates OWN WORDS.

    It makes no difference who or even if the device is calibrated because you cannot see it when you ask too.

    And you being just a dispatcher means you know nothing but want to act like you do. How many hours of schooling did that take? Hey maybe you can go pass the bar because you are familiar with cops procedures or maybe perform open heart surgery because you can coach cpr via the phone? "

    northbound wrote on Jan 28, 2010 3:15 PM:

    " For your information cal/hav I'm not a cop, I have been a 911 dispatcher for the last 12 years and am well aware of how things are done. Don't believe me call Mohave County Sheriff Dept or DPS yourself and inquire just how the radar guns are calibrated. In fact ask them how often they are calibrated and by who since you won't believe a word that comes from our local department. They will tell you the radar guns have to be calibrated by an officer with a cert in calibrations, something that is done thru several hours of school for that person. You think you know so much about L.E. and you don't know squat. All you do is assume,and listen to b.s. stories from low life people who have broken the law about how they were treated so unfair. "

    cal/hav wrote on Jan 28, 2010 1:17 PM:

    " You crack me up. certified Officer who only needs a GED. Vs NASA and the Military. A GPS is A receiver and recorder not a transmitter. The Satellite it what is calibrated. I'll let the Military know they need to call you next time they send off a missile to make sure it's sats are properly calibrate. ROFLMAO. Enough already talking to a COP it is like trying talk to King Kong.

    And your right DRAT the article is about working on a Strategy for Havasu. You may not think so but the problem started with this issue. And it will remain till people open there eye and face what the Image of the City is. Enforce Enforce Enforce, From Windmills, to water, from businesses on the beach to shed in your driveway. How can we suck the Citizens and tourist dry. "

    Desertrat wrote on Jan 28, 2010 7:20 AM:

    " los tacos states "I'm still shaking my head, as this article wasn't even about police, tickets or going to court a bunch of times". NONE of the articles are, but the personal vendetta comes out under EVERY article. Boring. YAAWN Most people enjoy their lives, not sit and oversatuate an anonymous forum. Guess that speaks more about the person than the (supposed) problem. "

    northbound wrote on Jan 28, 2010 6:39 AM:

    " PROFIT having nothing to do with what you two are claiming. The courts have changed their extradition boundries on their warrants and the cost of bond. Almost every warrant has a 4,000.00 bond of Clyde's where other courts are still in the hundred's bracket. If the law breakers are going to break the law and ignore the warrant that the unpaid ticket has now turned into, they are going to pay $$$$$$ to get bailed out. As for doing any research on GPS vs RADAR no need to. The radar is being operated by a certified officer of the law which has a validated log of calibration. Your gps is not calibrated by a certified law enforcement officer you can claim it is accurate all you want but it don't matter. And as for radar guns bouncing around in trunks of patrol cars when was the last time you rode in a patrol car? They don't keep them in the trunk. The motor cops have theirs in a solid container which won't damage the gun while not in use. The biggest cop/court bashers on this page o'really and cal/hav and neither one of you are man enough to do a ridalong. Go figure. "

    o'really wrote on Jan 27, 2010 10:34 PM:

    " PS breaking the las has NOTHING to do with getting a ticket here in Havasu. Its about PROFIT to qoute Clyde. "

    o'really wrote on Jan 27, 2010 10:33 PM:

    " What you must have meant was every court except LHC CITY COURT WHICH DENIES ALL REQUESTS TO APPEAR OTHER THAN IN PERSON. You must show up to (traffic tickets and such) to plead, then for a conference, often pre-trial hearings and then the trial. I am right, I have sat and watched it.
    I have seen the waivers routinely granted in Jill D's court and in the courts in BHC and KNG city and JOP courts. Everywhere except in LHC CITY court where Clyde presides. "

    calhav wrote on Jan 27, 2010 10:13 PM:

    " Oh yeah forgot this one.

    expandmywealth.com/2008/01/11/gps-vs-radar-new-defense-for-speeding-tickets/ "

    LosTacos wrote on Jan 27, 2010 8:08 PM:

    " Orealllley? Can you visualize this? I'm shaking my head and giggling profusely....First radar guns are mandated to have QAS and recals by a certified person on a regular basis (similar to Intox instruments) This documentation is turned into the court, DA, or County Attorney on a regular basis (hence the individual documented serial #'s). As far as going to court every time for a traffic ticket (misd)??? Walk into the court house, pass the 2 security officers, and to your emediate right there is a rack (you should know where this is, as you stated you've been there sooo many times)Pick up the form with the header "Telephonic or Electronic" court request form" fill it out and mail it in. If you are from out of state it's your RIGHT to have access to this option, and actually the court (as most in our country) will mail you this form with your court advisory date (call them if ya didn't get one). So to state that you HAVE to show up to court atleast three times is FALSE (unless your a flight risk or FFJ). Only on the initial appearance must you appear IF a felony has occurred or if you fail to sign a citation for a charge that's a felony, but most likely if it's a felony your going to jail anyway and your fist appearance is "covered" lol..... I'm still shaking my head, as this article wasn't even about police, tickets or going to court a bunch of times. And by the way the info above I have summarized (because every case is different) is available on line to the public in the ARS and Rules of Law and Federal Law... Disclaimer:(for smartypants who will misquote and tell me I'm wrong)( said in a real fast Micromachine commercial guys voice) Laws and Court forms "may very, from state to state, county to county, or court to court allthough they have the same intent and purpose." to put bad guys in jail and hold the rest of us accountable for our action (voice is reallly fast now!) for silly things like speeding , failure to stop at stop signs (now a realllly fast voice no one can understand).... still shaking my head....Oreally How I do enjoy reading your comments "

    cal/hav wrote on Jan 27, 2010 6:43 PM:

    " Well Northbound, you may want to do a little research on the Topic. High End GPS such as mine which provide tracking are accurate within 1 mph. Can you say that about every radar gun which operate on speed and distance average. Bumped around on the Back of a motor or patrol car. Do you actually caliberate it or just check off the log saying you did.
    Cases ARE being won on GPS data. The Citizen has his tools now. Not just video. Maybe tahts why Clyde is afraid to allow such evidence.

    techdirt.com/articles/20080718/1234331725.shtml
    techdirt.com/articles/20080718/1234331725.shtml "

    northbound wrote on Jan 27, 2010 6:14 PM:

    " O'really no kidding you can't ask an officer to calibrate his radar gun while you watch. They don't calibrate their own guns. This is what I mean when I state just how little you know about L.E. radar guns are calibrated by a certified calibrator who just like GHN or phlebotomist has to attend many hours of training. Each radar gun has to be calibrated to ensure accuracy and complies with the government standards. Now if you have a question about a certain radar gun drive to the department and speak to a Sgt. or Lt. to inquire if that radar gun has been calibrated. But instead you and your gps radar friend just ASSUME things are being done in a corrupt way since those who think they are not speeding get a ticket.
    As far as having to show up several times in Clyde's court it's HIS court room he sets the rules. Don't break the law and don't worry about it. "

    O'really wrote on Jan 27, 2010 3:51 PM:

    " Probable Cause in Havasu...

    "its most probable they wont fight the ticket because they are from out of town so I can give them a ticket for 29 in a 25 zone" "

    o'really wrote on Jan 27, 2010 12:45 PM:

    " Northbound. First, all we have is the word of the officer that it is calibrated. You can no longer ask the officer to calibrate it in front of you or even show you the radar gun. In a corrupt court that is a money maker.
    secondly, YOU DO NOT NEED TO SHOW UP IN COURT if you are out of state if you petition the court to excuse you from routine hearings. It is USUALLY a given that this happens. You do have to show up for the trial but that is it. HERE you must show up at least THREE TIMES and the court here OFTEN changes the dates without notice.
    IT IS A SCAM ON TOURISTS, show up in court a few dozen hours and it will become clear that this court is after MONEY not JUSTICE.
    EVEN IN THE JOP court here you can get the Judge to relieve you from routine procedures or at most telephone presence and only show up at trial. ONLY IN CLYDES COURT must you show up for EVERY PROCEDURE and the prosecutors here know it and force many procedures hoping you will miss one and then they get a default verdict. "

    northbound wrote on Jan 27, 2010 9:04 AM:

    " Hey everyone Per cal/hav on 2/25:( Old one first of all it is DEFENSE in the US.
    Secondly my defense is I was not doing 29mph. And my GPS even showed on my tracking log that at the time I was doing 23 MPH.
    Yet with the history of Clydes Court, You expect me to come back from Manhattan Beach. To try to present EVIDENCE which Clyde will deny. It my word against Clydes Co Conspirators. Who do you think is going to win that
    one. They got you and they no it. It is the cheaper of the two for those being cited. Come on Vacation leave with Citation.)

    I can't believe cal/hav you could even dream yourgps tracking device could be more accurate then an officers radar gun which is calibrated on a regular basis. And yes we would expect you to come back to court to fight the ticket. As anyone else would have to do. What makes you think your better then anyone else? HELLO if I was to get a ticket for speeding in CA I would have to go to court in CA to fight the ticket. Your just like the truck drivers that get citations from my department that whine and whine they don't have to pay the ticket it's not their truck the company they drive for owns it, DUH the company is not driving it and speeding. Then they get all bent out of shape and have to come all the way back to AZ if they want to fight the ticket. IT'S THAT WAY ALL OVER! And to top it off one of our judges was a police chief before he became a judge, one was a police officer and another is married to the Sgt. of the police department. So stop with your claims anyone with a background in L.E. has no business wearing a black robe.

    So your tailing the local police with your camera to show us all that You don't even know why an officer pulls someone over? Maybe if you manned up and did a ridealong you may learn about probable cause. "

    Roco wrote on Jan 26, 2010 8:36 PM:

    " Tomgarven wrote: "If our police force, court system and city government were so corrupt we would see a police car or motorcycle parked at the exit from the main Post Office. Every time I go there I see at least 2 or 3 cars make illegal left turns in the matter of only 10-15 minutes".

    I read sometime ago in this forum that the "no left turn" sign was not placed there by the city, but by the Post Office. That makes it a no-inforceable violation. The sign was placed with good intentions but can't be enforced by the PD. "

    BrightOne wrote on Jan 26, 2010 12:49 PM:

    " O'really: I don't think that. It seems general consensus though, by the way others respond. I am here for the ride, and thoroughly enjoy the entertainment ya'll provide me. BEERS! "

    tomgarven wrote on Jan 26, 2010 12:07 PM:

    " I started posting comments on this form about 6 months ago. Normally I try to make most of my posts as positive as possible and in line with the article at hand. This article is about where Lake Havasu City is planning to be as a city about years 10 years from now. Yet it seems most of the discussion is about some judge, supposedly corrupt police department and perceived dishonesty in city government. I can't speak for anyone else but that subject is starting to get really old and tiresome.

    I believe the purpose of the News-Herald forms exist for a few different reasons. One of those reasons might be to give the citizens of Lake Havasu City a good place to respond to articles the EDITORS of the New-Herald feel are of interest to the community. Another reason might be that public forms bring readers to the website and certainly increases advertising revenue which is needed to keep our local paper in business. It might also be true that many businesses, civic organizations, city leaders and law enforcement personnel monitor these forms to determine the pulse of the city.

    So here is my take on all this local corruption talk - It's meaningless and here is why. If any of these accusations had any merit don't you think there would be many more articles in the News Herald about how corrupt and horrible our city is? I guess that means either one of two things. Either the News-Herald knows all about this corruption and is in on the conspiracy OR they have investigated the allegations and found them to NOT be news worthy. I have a tendency to believe the latter – the allegations are not based on a significant number of occurrences to make running the story worthwhile. That doesn't mean they didn't occur; it just means they don't occur OFTEN enough to justify the attention of the editors and here might be one reason why.

    If our police force, court system and city government were so corrupt we would see a police car or motorcycle parked at the exit from the main Post Office. Every time I go there I see at least 2 or 3 cars make illegal left turns in the matter of only 10-15 minutes. To date, I have never seen a patrol car or motorcycle officer handing out tickets in this location; and it's not as if the police force doesn't know about this location. So based on my personal observation at this and other locations around town I believe the police ARE NOT deliberately ticketing people to increase their revenue stream. If that were the case they could easily do a 100 tickets every day at that location alone. They could also just follow the traffic on Highway 95 and nail another 100 speeders but they don't. As I see it they write tickets for meaningful violations of the law and that is how it should be.

    From my perspective after living here for 10 years this is a wonderful city to live in. We have good schools, do the best we can at controlling gang and drug activities. We have a beautiful lake, good off-road areas, nice hotels and encourage everyone to have a good time doing lots of different fun stuff.

    I like Lake Havasu City - How about you? "

    o'really wrote on Jan 26, 2010 11:57 AM:

    " Brightone seems to think that letting our citizens know about a problem in our great city is somehow demonic activity and encouraging ignorance is angelic? Wow, talk about backwards thinking, that is what happened in Na zi Germany,good people trying to raise the alarm about a problem and the willfully ignorant putting them down.
    We are not Na zi Germany but our good city has a real problem that is costing the people in real ways everyday because the willfully ignorant refuse to speak up.
    Our council knowingling reappoints a censured magistrate, hires a city attorney that has been suspended by the bar, and sits and smiles when the magistrate says his court is the most profitable.
    Problems here, real problems.
    Hire a magistrate who is a lawyer and does not appear in conflict everytime he sits on the bench and will enforce the law and not support perjury. That is the first step in improving our tourism problem. "

    BrightOne wrote on Jan 26, 2010 11:08 AM:

    " Wow, I must say, you all outdid yourselves in this forum thread! I've never seen so much bickering negativity! WOOT! O'really and cal/hav seem to be the demons and DesertRat has her halo on. Such utter harmony and balance we got going in here. Keep it up. BEERS! "

    Mutant wrote on Jan 25, 2010 8:31 PM:

    " a one horse town? I believe it is a few burros town. Many jack***** that want to place tourist rentals on the non drinking, non launching beach. (But the elected officials are not to be discussed on this post.) I applaud the notion that we need to be more than a tourist stop in the road, we tried that with the used to be - World famous London Bridge! which is no longer on the top ten tourist stops in AZ. We need company after company that employs more than 10 employees each to set up shop. They in turn want education and pleasure activities. So a step in the right direction. "

    anaconda wrote on Jan 25, 2010 2:24 PM:

    " WHOOO IF YOU DONT LIKE HERE GO SOME WERE ELSE AND TOU PROBLY WONT LIKE IT THERE EITHER LONG LIVE HAVASU "

    cal/hav wrote on Jan 25, 2010 2:09 PM:

    " Old one first of all it is DEFENSE in the US.
    Secondly my defense is I was not doing 29mph. And my GPS even showed on my tracking log that at the time I was doing 23 MPH.
    Yet with the history of Clydes Court, You expect me to come back from Manhattan Beach. To try to present EVIDENCE which Clyde will deny. It my word against Clydes Co Conspirators. Who do you think is going to win that
    one. They got you and they no it. It is the cheaper of the two for those being cited. Come on Vacation leave with Citation. The old bait and switch.
    Might be a good Idea for the CHP though. Catch those with Arizona plates and see if they'll pay the fine instead. Who care if there actually violating anything, might bring the state some much needed income. You know I think I will suggest that to Arny right away.
    As for RAT blaming the downturn on the economy. Big Bear was packed. Ski Resorts were sold out. The Gov declared a State of Emergency cause we sucked the Mountain COmmunities Dry of Food, Gas and Lodging. If only Havasu had the same problems.
    bigbeargrizzly.net/articles/2010/01/25/news/doc4b5dc8f54e61d491773174.txt "

    O'really wrote on Jan 25, 2010 11:53 AM:

    " Oldone, first, a new magistrate who is a lawyer would follow the law, period. Your statement implies the current one does but everytime he sits on the bench he is in the appearance of a conflict which is against the judicial ethics.
    secondly, not every ticket or even most a large majority of tickets are not right and correct. However even ONE that is issued under perjury is wrong and illegal and will NOT be questioned in court even with VIDEO evidence of so (which I have seen in this court happen).
    Why does a person not get a day in court? A ticket is an officer saying "i saw this happen". Often NO proof is offered other than the officers testimony. In THIS court you are guilty of it on that basis alone. In other courts you could offer testimony of witnesses or video ect to counter the officer but here that evidence is not allowed to be entered or it is not considered because the Magistrate WAS LHCPD and still will not cross the thin blue line.
    Fire the problem, replace it with a person whose career is based on balance where he could lose his law license if he sits on a case where he is in an appearence of conflict.
    Remember the law in Arizona is NOT to BE conflicted but just give the APPEARENCE of conflict.
    PS Oldone, a nearly 300% jump in tickets issued in ONE year is all the evidence you need that they are not all legal tickets. "

    oldone wrote on Jan 25, 2010 10:12 AM:

    " o'really I don,t know what the first line was about but don't you think a lawyer would cost more then the fine and one would have to apear for the judgment or forfit all. since you wont answer questions head on I feel since the topic was not about judges I'll leave this dissucion for a better topic on the matter I hope to see you tuesday at council Meeting and hope you bring up the problem, at the call to the Public so all the folks there and watching on cable and internet broadcast will here what you have to say. "

    O'really wrote on Jan 24, 2010 11:42 PM:

    " Are the other people you speak to "me, myself and I'? Those are about the last people who do not see the dwindling numbers of visitors and who know that Havasu has an EARNED image problem.

    Oldone, if you get a ticket in another jurisdiction you just petition to court through a lawyer that you not be required to appear for every little hearing. All of those petitions are denied here but in courts that are fair an more concerned with Justice its a minor and routine approval. This comes from a well known attorney friend of mine in town. "

    oldone wrote on Jan 24, 2010 11:20 PM:

    " o'really again you turn things around' I know their are problems,I also love this town but your not always right in what you say, and I let me put it another way. Say we get rid of this Magistrate and the next one follows the law the same way and say is a Lawyer, what then? do we can him and find one that lets every one go? We have had that in the past.And who are the innocent people or is every ticket a bad one in your eyes as far as I know the ticket is written and the officer that wrote it be LHPD or Deputy will be in court, to answer for it,if the ticket is challanged, and so on. so where does the innocent person not get their day in court? If the person does not want to appear they can pay the fine and opt for traffic school This happens in every town in Arizona and probaly every other State in the Union. So how is that corrupt or unjust? I ask you. "

    oldone wrote on Jan 24, 2010 10:49 PM:

    " cal/hav what would your defence be for 29 in a 25 limit in the main street area be. Depends on what time of day I suppose? "

    Desertrat wrote on Jan 24, 2010 2:21 PM:

    " Thanks resident! Most people I talk to say the same thing. It is only on this no accountability anonymous forum people bad mouth the place they CHOSE to live. Sad, sad, sad. "

    o'really wrote on Jan 24, 2010 12:45 PM:

    " Oldone. You have sat in council meetings, served on boards and commissions and sat in court yet you still do not see the problem? Then claim you are not willfully ignorant of the problems here? You also seem to imply that until THIS magistrate is on the bench the guilty will go free? I WANT the guilty to be punished--we are on the same page. Where I differ from you and where I see the problem is that I do not want the INNOCENT PUNISHED to fill the coffers. Because if you HAVE sat in all those meetings like I have, if you have served on boards and commissions as I have you know as well as I that MONEY is what drives the city and that STAFF protects thier own. This problem was being brought up on these pages LONG before I started to post and from reading the travel sites and other newspapers postings in California, LONG before we were aware of our image problem. But you go on and keep insisting that there is not a problem and eventually you will be right---make sure you turn the lights off when you are the last to leave Havasu in that case. "

    cal/hav wrote on Jan 24, 2010 11:09 AM:

    " Oldone- I agree with you. IF I had been going 29. Fight that one in Clydes Court. What do you think my chances would be? "

    northbound wrote on Jan 24, 2010 8:41 AM:

    " Wow can you all believe that this city only has TWO choices to get things going agian? Hahaha O'really seems to think he know the perfect answer. So O'really when do you plan to be in court again watching the judge you can't stand? Guess the security officers at the court house must know you by heart now huh? Only person here bringing this town down is you. Oh but you got your tunnel vision glasses on. Maybe next time you sit in court you won't snooze and will learn something. "

    oldone wrote on Jan 23, 2010 10:20 PM:

    " O'really So because someone doesn't see things yourway they are willfuly igornant. I have lived here a long time have served on Boards and Commisions have missed verry few Council meetings have sat in court and have seen other Magistrates turn people back on the street because in his words if they can't afford Insurance they probably can't afford the fine. Is this the type of justice you want? People driving without insurance and knowing nothing will happen if caught.Also you make a point about California folks and tickets, in Cal.if you get a ticket and want to fight it you must go there,ask anyone here that that has happend to. So it goes both ways.What if a new Magistrate has the same thoughts on the law do we keep them or go until we get one that turns all Californians loose? By the way CAL/HAV 29in a25 is breaking the speed limit in any town or city. "

    o'really wrote on Jan 23, 2010 8:16 PM:

    " The city has two choices to improve it's lot. Change the way it does things by getting rid of those who dragged it down while we can save it or continue to wallow in willful ignorance like NB,DR and O1 would like and sing Kumbaya on the dingy as it circles the toilet bowl that was once LHC like a tidy bowl man. "

    Mutant wrote on Jan 23, 2010 8:02 PM:

    " if the city was following McCulloch's goals they would realize he did not want the city to have access to all the beach front. McCulloch knew that more buildings (condos) were not necessary to make a city - preservation of the green belt along the shoreline makes for a destination spot. The city has not said anything specific about their take over of windsor except that they only want "Windsor Beach" - does this mean they already have plans to sell out to a developer and build lake blocking condos? Short term solution at the very least. "

    northbound wrote on Jan 23, 2010 5:31 PM:

    " Again O''really blah blah about things you know nothing about. Any speeding ticket you protest from any court you have to show up for court. Yes that means even our not so smart california visitors that come here to be stupid have to drive all the way back to AZ for court should they choose to fight the ticket, doesn't matter if it's LHC, Parker, Kingman Bullhead they have to come to court period.
    Where do you get your information? From a cracker jax box! Any DPS officer that writes a ticket in Clydes jurisdiction goes to his court when the ticketed party chooses to go to court to cry wa wa wa the big bad highway patrol man gave me a ticket. Clyde puts people in jail that should go there, and those who fail to pay fines end up with warrants deserve to have a warrant with a 4,000.00 bond. Too bad so sad, so they get (issy about getting a ticket toss it away and are too iggnorant to realize it doesn't just go away. Don't do the crime and you won't pay a fine. You and a few others are just bu&& hurt because you don't think Clyde has any business being a judge because he used to be in law enforcement, he is not the only mag/judge in the state of AZ that has been in L.E. GET OVER IT. He sides with the polce all the time wa wa wa duh only means our police department has their act together and reports done the way they should be. Again if someone doesn't do stupid things they won't get a ticket or arrested. "

    northbound wrote on Jan 23, 2010 5:03 PM:

    " Oldone I applaud your comment and couldn't agree more. Come on O'really lets see you can only stae you blah blah blah here because the state won't give you a second glance. DON'T BREAK THE LAW AND YOU OR YOUR FRIENDS OR FAMILY WON'T HAVE TO DIG INTO PIGGY BANK. "

    O'really wrote on Jan 23, 2010 2:00 AM:

    " Oldone. Are you aware that if you do protest a traffic ticket here you must come back here. Unlike other courts even within this county where you are not required to show up for traffic tickets, you MUST show up in LHC Magistrate court. So if you get a $150 ticket and are from California you must take at least a day off from work to come back here a minimum of three times to fight it and as Vicki stated, timely notifications of hearings are not what this court is known for.
    Becuase you have sat in a court hearing or two does not mean that what I said does not happen because the dozens of hours I have sat in court shows it does happen.
    Any lawyer in town will tell you that you will not get a fair trial here and while they will take your money to defend you they will also tell you that this court does not rule against the police. So if you had to go to say, Silver City NM (just to pull a town out of a hat) three times to fight an unjust ticket in a court even the lawyers said will not rule in your favor, what would you do? Sure you will use your bravado to say you would fight it but everyone knows they would just pay the money and be done with it. That is what this court is COUNTING ON. Fire the problem and see our tourism increase is my opinion. "

    oldone wrote on Jan 22, 2010 6:22 PM:

    " o'really As I have said before I have sat in court and as far as tickets go no one I saw had a defence for the ticket they recieved. Do you know what is not justice if one cannot give a defence? "

    oldone wrote on Jan 22, 2010 6:16 PM:

    " johnjay The City Council does not run the Schools they are run by the School board. Different group all together. "

    resident wrote on Jan 22, 2010 6:12 PM:

    " after randomly reading your negativity over the past year cal/hav, please sell your properties (or whatever) and leave. Why do you waste your time on these threads bashing lhc when you are apparently the 'most interesting man in the world'

    Hey rat, I'm a havasuvian and proud of it, don't let the dogs get you down. "

    cal/hav wrote on Jan 22, 2010 4:40 PM:

    " Hey Drat-Go back in the bunker and don't forget to shut the lid. Rains a comin' and lots of it. I'm heading out to Big Bear, spend my $132.00 on Lift tickets, Got a cabin rented, do some snowboarding, a little dinner At Captains Anchorage. And come home Monday without a Trumped up ticket for doing "29mph" through downtown. In front of Havasu Hardware to be exact. Since you want specifics. And the overnight ticket my traveling companion got on the same trip cause for overnight mooring because we were so much enjoying our late dinner at Barleys . Dinner $225, ticket $150.00. Think we went back the next night. I think not. Both Labor Day 2007 to be exact. So do I join Vicky now? "

    Victoria wrote on Jan 22, 2010 3:54 PM:

    " Just for the record; I absolutely love Havasu. It is a great place to live, play and work which is why we are working so hard to become full time residents. I do offer my time and input in a constructive manner in hopes of changing some of the negatives that have hurt the community's reputation. It is in everyones best interest to take positive actions to bring positive change. If you are truly interested in having your voices heard, attend council meetings, write letters to your representatives, volunteer on advisory committees and get involved. If you are not part of the solution, it is possible that you are part of the problem. In most cases the majority rules. If enough people send the message that there is a problem, maybe it will be addressed. Now, how about some more good ideas on how to grow our City's tax base! "

    O'really wrote on Jan 22, 2010 12:50 PM:

    " Oldone-the current magistrate never met a ticket he didnt find guilty. That is a statistical immpossibility. The current magistrate is in conflict of interest every time a ticket comes before him. His decisions cannot be seen as impartial. AND it was HE who said before council that he was the most PROFITABLE court. No word about justice. Justice is NOT about finding everybody before you guilty. When that happens, as it seemingly does here, then those who bring people before you know they have NO LIMITS. That mean you get the reputation our town now has and why the down turn here started a full two years before it the economy started to get bad.
    I would like to see a person on the bench who has not been censured by the state and whose goal is JUSTICE. Someone who has a degree in law for a change. Why are we the largest city in Arizona that does not require thier Magistrate to be Lawyer when plenty of people here with law degrees want the job? Would YOU hire the MOST qualified person for a job?


    CAL/HAV-there goes drat again being willfully ignorant and attempting to make personal attacks to muddy the water. That just means you won the debate.

    JohnJay-great post. We can start to change the image by changing the problem. A new Magistrate who is dedicated to JUSTICE will change the police behavior immediately. We just need the CVB to advertise it to our former visitors "Lake Havasu Justice-has returned under new Management" "

    Desertrat wrote on Jan 22, 2010 6:41 AM:

    " Cal- Since you live in California, I wouldn't point fingers when it comes to budget problems. So all your california people are happy and skipping around while their entire state is claiming bankruptcy? Wait, it must be because of their corrupt cops! Yeah, okay. "

    johnjay wrote on Jan 22, 2010 6:15 AM:

    " Havasu has a huge PR problem,it doesn't even matter any longer what the behavior of the LHPD is, the perception is they ticket without cause and rummage through your personal belongings in the middle of the lake during their weekly dragnets. Their behavior is documented in all the forums from City View to You Tube, you have girls being roughed up at Kokomos by LHPD right on video, make your own judgement. I mean come on, you have seven different police agencies patrolling the lake and city, 96 police officers on the payroll for LHPD alone, a swat team, a state of the art bomb squad, and what's the first thing you do...close your schools. Yep, lots of sound leadership goin' on there. I guess the children of Havasu better start a union ASAP, otherwise they're going to have their classes at the sewer plant and dog park. "

    oldone wrote on Jan 21, 2010 10:31 PM:

    " o'realy I did not say the state appointed anyone I was saying the city is not the only one to benefit. But unlike the last person that sat on that bench, this one follows the law by not looking the otherway when a citation comes before him, and a fine is called for in the law or code. He doesn't make the fines up, State and City do. Hopefully when we are in court at the same time we can go for coffee and talk about it. "

    cal/hav wrote on Jan 21, 2010 8:47 PM:

    " Rat - Lets Face it. your like a Democrat in Mass. Like A High Rise in Haiti, You think your are in the Disneyland of the Desert when it is the future Salton Sea. Your more and more on your own on this one. I don't see all those happy jubilant people you talk about on here. I don't see all the happiness. And a lot of people have take your advise and left. Your like Saddam Hussein thinking you got the best city on earth. Maybe some day you'll crawl out of your bunker and see reality. And if not. Well who cares. The future budget cuts WILL effect the PD. And like I said in Feb 2008. THe PD will ticket themselves out of a job. They are well on there way. "

    o'really wrote on Jan 21, 2010 8:02 PM:

    " well drat, first Vicki is not the only nor the first to post particulars about the problems with the courts. It was those postings that led me to investigate the problem. Up until then I was like you, ignorant of the truth. I investigated the problem and found out the complaints of my customers were mostly true. Why did I investigate? BECAUSE I LOVE MY CITY. I love the city and I refuse to let corruption of the council courts and cops ruin it.
    Fact is we need tourists, all of us do because so much of our city depends on thier revenue. We do not need to fund the court and city with tickets that not earned so a magistrate can brag that he has the most profitable. The man said it on the record. He does not have a law degree, he was censured by the state court. WHY IS HE STILL IN OFFICE if it is not to railroad our tourist? I have spoken to pleanty of lawyers who would LOVE the chance to be called Judge and would not give the appearence of conflict everyday. "

    Desertrat wrote on Jan 21, 2010 4:01 PM:

    " Vickie- I have respect for you and your problem. I remember the posting about the mooring ticket well. You are the only one who identified yourself with a clear, first hand incident that appears to have been handled wrong. Unfortunately, the anonymous complainers, and bashers all jumped on the bandwagon. The other one or two have no actual facts, just ‘my friend told me’ or ‘my customers said’ or ‘I heard that.’ Like you posted what happened to you, I post what I hear, see and experience. And most people I know do not get tickets and end up in court. Period. I like LHC -is it perfect? Nope. But name a place that does not have problems. I have always supported our city and its public servants. Bashing, name calling, innuendos, rumors, false allegations, on a no- accountability, anonymous forum is counter productive. Posting under every article about how one hates the courts, thinks they are corrupt, the PD is wrong, the FD is overpaid, etc. does not make it so. There are plenty of open forums, chances to serve on committees, get involved in politics, join the Citizen Police Academy to talk to them first hand, run for a government seat, etc that could generate positive change. No, the whiners would rather sit on a computer and spew hatred. Not productive, positive or change generating- just hypocrisy at its finest. In fact, the extreme saturation has made your possibly once valid point mute. No one listens. Most people like this city, problems and all. Those I know who didn’t -left for greener pastures. Life is too short to be miserable. So let the haters attack me for liking LHC. At least I enjoy my life. "

    Desertrat wrote on Jan 21, 2010 3:27 PM:

    " Yep, I'm a broken record. I like LHC and enjoy living here. If I didn't, I would be gone. If I hated it as much as the few of you, I wouldn't be wasting my time posting online, I would be getting out of here. And waste (the name fits) I get out and enjoy my life. Sorry you can't say the same. If you are miserable, do something about it-stop blaming LHC. "

    cal/hav wrote on Jan 21, 2010 3:24 PM:

    " folks who come here and break the law, we don't need them. " YOU DON"T NEED TO BREAK THE LAW for a ticket in Havasu. And You your sure as heck do need them. That the only revenue the city has "

    Victoria wrote on Jan 21, 2010 11:00 AM:

    " Rat, you and I have been around and around about the issue of the LHC police and court system. I know first hand that you don't always end up in court if you get a citation. All I wanted was the opportunity to have my day in court to present documentation from the Coast Guard that proved my ticket was not legal. However Judge Andress made sure I did not get that opportunity by not providing addequate notice to appear. When I send a letter of complaint to the City Council nothing was done about it. However, since going through all of that I have found that I am not the only one who has experienced improper legal procedures when dealing with the Lake Havasu police and legal system. It is certainly not the only thing to blame for the down turn in tourism but it certainly hasn't helped. If you do a little bit of investigatingyou will find O'really's statements are not that out of line. "

    Brightone wrote on Jan 21, 2010 10:46 AM:

    " LOL LHCWasteland. You hit the nail on the head. DesertRat is def like a broken record. Same old same old posts about anti-LHC garbage. But then Drat wouldn't be the same, nor entertaining, if she was any different. Give her credit for stirring the pot, along with oreally, who is also thoroughly entertaining. BEERS to you amigos! "

    LHCwasteland wrote on Jan 21, 2010 9:02 AM:

    " Desertrat, you sound like a broken record. I'm sure 33's first come to mind. Get a new act. When is the last time you had that wheel chair out of the house to see life as it really happens.I'm sure life is just grand from where you sit. "

    Victoria wrote on Jan 21, 2010 8:25 AM:

    " In order to develop an industrial park with good paying jobs, Lake Havasu City must do whatever it takes to bring afordable commercial flights into our airport. Executives, buyers, partners, sales representatives etc. etc, are constantly traveling via airlines to grow their businesses and/or keep them thriving. Those types of businesses will not locate in an area without access to convenient air travel no matter what our City does for them. Affordable commercial flights will also help increase tourism. Our nearest access to affordable air service is Las Vegas. If nothing else we should look at developing daily commuter flights from LV to accommodate the needs of business developers. Provide convenient access and they just might come! "

    Desertrat wrote on Jan 20, 2010 9:35 PM:

    " zib- do you live in a bubble? Name one destination spot that has been 'booming?' Vegas and NY had hotel rooms on New Years - when was the last time that happened? Were you here for the summer holidays? I know a store owner under the bridge that did very well. Perhaps blaming others works for some, but most people don't end up in court. Look at the stats. The number of citations is low compared to the number of visitors-no matter how the haters want to skew the stats. Now this topic is old, tired and boring. Yawn We shall see, we shall see....peace out. "

    zibgy wrote on Jan 20, 2010 7:59 PM:

    " People keep coming.....? Where have you been? 4 years ago the hotel I was working was so busy that you had a reserve overpriced rooms two years ahead of time on summer holidays. Last year we did not even fill up at reduced holiday prices. This started about 2005, that is well before the economy crashed on us all. Booting MTV was a mistake too but jamming tickets down our visitors proverbal throats is just plain stupid in my opinion. We need to stop listening to people who do not want to even admit we have problems here.
    If they were still coming here I think we would have people begging to get a storefront on the channel instead of all of them being constantly on the verge of bankruptcy. "

    Desertrat wrote on Jan 20, 2010 6:46 PM:

    " office-yeah, they said no one would come after the MTV controversy. Yet, people keep coming. It is the lake they want. And no matter how much the whiners and haters want to play the 'blame game' they will keep coming. The economy has hurt everyone everywhere. I predict the whiners will continue to complain no matter what happens. We shall see, we shall see... "

    o'really wrote on Jan 20, 2010 11:57 AM:

    " Oldone, it was not a state appointed magistrate that went before council and bragged that he had the most profitable court. It is not state appointed police that are under the jurisdiction of local council appointed magistrates. The state gets a piece of the pie but the problem was appointed by the council. The state censured the problem here and that should have been cause enough to terminate but the council wanted profit over justice.

    blah, I read your post on the other thread but NOBODY has said a word against the MCSO. I am sure that you didnt miss that and are trying to muddy the waters but the police (notice police not sheriff) are the problem here. The deputy's in the area did not work for or under the current council appointed non-lawyer censured by the state supreme court magistrate. "

    officedoug wrote on Jan 20, 2010 9:08 AM:

    " I agree with o'really. I have seen the lake area just dry up and businesses close up because of the massive law presence. The money will not come if the visitors are afraid of losing their money and freedom. "

    hava-NY-er wrote on Jan 20, 2010 6:46 AM:

    " Good point LakeLizard...years ago there was a manufacturing company (can't remember the name) that was looking at coming in but they decided not to because there was a huge battle on who was to foot the bill for sidewalks...good ole Havasu did it again to themselves. "

    resident wrote on Jan 19, 2010 9:22 PM:

    " well said havasu♥lover. If anything, we should keep the focus on the marine community and start trying to become more of a specialty health care destination for our geriatric population. Both worlds (marine and snowbirds) can coexist and contribute to our tax base.

    Why, because baby boomers are going to be retiring in droves starting with the end of this decade. Let's be ahead of the curve! "

    LakeLizard wrote on Jan 19, 2010 5:50 PM:

    " I remember back in high school when I worked for an architect in this town there was a generator company that wanted to open up shop, with a factory and 8 story office building, supposedly employing 250, but the fire department wasnt set up for the office building so they were denied. Anyone else wonder how much money some other community makes from it now? "

    oldone wrote on Jan 19, 2010 2:28 PM:

    " o'really yor like a broken record same garbage and tunnel vision I notice you dont't blame the State when they take their part of the Courts revenue.and as for the folks who come here and break the law, we don't need them. "

    havasu♥lover wrote on Jan 19, 2010 1:06 PM:

    " dubld - they already laid those plans, it was called the I40 business park. Note that it now contains one gas station, with a few minimum wage jobs, and a storage area, with no jobs. then there was the mall - again, a handful of minimum wage retail jobs. great for the big money - out of area - land developers and commercial construction companies (temporary jobs), but does nearly nothing for the local job market (especially when the retail outlets that move in bring out-of-area managers with them).

    we need real jobs, like computer & aerospace companies, but those companies won't locate here for multiple reasons, one being our existing educational base.

    it's sort of a catch 22, but it's a catch 22 that we need to address, if we are ever to "grow" in a direction that will be beneficial to our jobs growth, and the future of our youth - who currently have to move away to get higher education or good jobs.

    however, that said, i'm sure i'm in the majority when i say that there's probably very few people around here that want to see our area become another southern california, so there needs to be a balance, and i personally don't want aerospace factories in front of my lake view.

    so, i'm for bigger businesses and a university, but keep them down at the I40 business park, and reserve the lake area for residential and small business. and quit bringing in out-of-area developers! "

    o'really wrote on Jan 19, 2010 11:32 AM:

    " I think they were funded by over-zealous ticket writing. Nearly a 300% spike in a one year period. Mostly remember our problems began a year before the nations recession due to our city courts earning us a poor image with our visitors and customers. Lets correct that problem first. Lets worry about the having the court with the best Justice and not being the most profitable. "

    dubld wrote on Jan 19, 2010 8:19 AM:

    " How about contacting businesses that could contribute jobs & $$$ to Lake Havasu? How about offering up some cheap land with a good promise of hiring locals, producing a worthwhile product & genuine community involvement?
    We need jobs within the city to build infra-structure for the future.
    Also, if & when the economy turns around, lets keep an awareness of what got us here...frivolous spending & pet projects funded by over-zealous ideas. "

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